Okay, my local Vons grocery store doesn't carry Shiner Bock so I tried Spaten Premium. I didn't like it at first while it was real cold, but as it's warming up, I'm liking it better. Either that or it's just strong enough to kick my butt and make me THINK it's good...I'm going to Beverages N' More tomorrow to search it out. ps. also bought some Rolling Rock but didn't pop it yet.