Dr Pepperhill
Wednesday, March 15, 2006 7:13:00 PM
Ok Ruggysgurgle, I waded through "For HockeysDad," and here's what I got out of it.

i) Drathaar posts pic of USA hitting a French poodle.

ii) Victor goes on prolix rant about why Drathaar enjoys the prospect of big bully kicking sand in skinny weakling’s face.

iii) Drathaar identifies France as having economic interests in Iraq prior to the US invasion of Iraq.

iv) Victor veers off the political discussion, and defends the breed of dog known as poodle, then veers back on track by addressing some of the French/Iraq politico/economic dynamics.

V) Drathaar veers back to canine symbolism, then immediately segues into France being the actual bullies of the world, or at least Europe/middle east.

vi) Bloody admits to liking him some haute couture victuals, but doesn’t trust the duplicituous world power hungry frogs.

vii) Victor then cedes that the breed ‘poodle’ symbolizes France, but cites the possibility that France traded with Iraq prior to the US invasion for humanitarian reasons.

viii) Adroomi comes in as court jester and reminds us that, in reality that the US is up to its ear lobes in sh*t in Iraq right now, and that we’re the ones who should really be pitied in all this.

ix) AndyTV, reiterating Bloody, digs French food but doesn’t trust the varmints.

x) Drathaar tangentially counters Adroomi with “we’re winning g*damnit!” then proceeds to establish a preference for American illegality over French illegality, which isn’t entirely unjustified, Drathaar being an American.

xi) Jet comes in with the irony that the world bullies, France, are in fact wimps.

xi) Finally, Bloody comes in with something obliquely “Europe has Fallen”: The muslims will soon take over France! Drathaar confirms this hypothesis.

xii) Then you, Ruggysgirl, come in saying that I, Dr. Pepperhill, disagrees that the muslims are about to topple France!? I don’t recall ever thinking or not thinking that, or hiring you as my spokesperson. My complaint was that I didn’t know WTF “Europe has Fallen” means, not that I agree or disagree, and in fact, I was not aware that muslims were on the eve of occupying either Paris or the provences.

Xiii) Then Hckeydad comes in with some global analogies throwing most of the previous assertions into the wastebin of hydrocephalic hyperboly; and affirming the US is still the world’s reigning bully (which, as an American, I’m glad to hear is still the case).

Now, I gotta admit by this point Ruggys, and not meaning to pop your thermometer-like pretty head, that I simply gave up and stopped reading the thread. If I’m not mistaken, and correct me if I’m wrong, “Europe has Fallen” then means the muslims have or are about to take over France! Yes? No? help me out on this. I realize this might be a mistaken assumption on my part, but from what the “For HockeyDad” thread suggests, you are proposing this very hypothesis I believe. Maybe Zoinks, who has knowledge of what “Europe has Fallen” means can clear things up, Zoinks old chap?

ruggysgirl
Thursday, March 16, 2006 5:22:00 AM
Pepper, does your name calling at me mean that you are done trying to play nice? I'll write myself a memo to remind me to feel bad about that. In the mean time, it is a bizarre sort of comfort to see you back to your old methods of trying to shut me up. Having a nearly civilized conversation with you was really creepy.
ruggysgirl
Thursday, March 16, 2006 5:33:00 AM
Oh and yes, France is dangerously close to being swallowed whole, and they don't have the backbone or the stomach (politically, as a nation, although I am sure there are some individuals there who are up to the task) to do anything but outlaw head scarves. You may brush this aside if you like, since living in a gated community seems to have elevated you to a level of existence far above the rest of us plebes. It does concern me, however.
Dr Pepperhill
Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:05:00 AM
Hmmm, don't recall calling you anything but 'pretty' in my last post, but I guess that could be interpreted any number of ways. Although I won't be un-civil to you, I'll try to avoid being out-and-out friendly since that seems to enrage you so (hence my thermometer-head reference).

But back to business: I'm assuming then, based on your tacit assent to my definition of "Europe has fallen" as meaning muslims have toppled France, that this is what you meant by the statement. Zoinks never chimed in, so I'm still dead reckoning here.

There has been some unrest in Holland and France, but this flare up hardly represents that France, much less Europe has been toppled by muslims. These people are ethnic, underclass minorities running amok under poverty and social ostracization, and are not the ruling classes in the countries specified. Once the ruling class in France, Holland, Germany, etc., fall to Islamic rule, or at least under under imminent threat, then, I would tend to agree with you. But I feel such a change in political & cultural fortune is a long way off at this point; but hey, who knows.

Therefore, I think the statement "Europe has Fallen" is an extreme exageration, and quite frankly, has little basis in reality. Not that your opinion isn't every bit as valid or significant as mine.

zoinks
Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:25:00 AM
*chime* *chime* *chime*

aaahhhemmm...that was the school bell.

Class. Class! Quite please...thank you.

Finish your snipping and put down your cutters.

Would someone please help Tank...thank you andy.

Everyone toast and light up so we can get on with this.

*tapping finger on podium*

MACS, remove that damn label please, embargo and all, hello?...thank you.

Ok, class, any other comments on Tuck's original suggestions or those appended?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Ferris?

Well, let me say, then, that they are good ideas and thanks all who participated. I particularily like the key one, it's brilliant, absolutely brilliant.

Now, on to less useful information. Someone has brought up the fact that Europe has fallen, and it appears to some to be debatable. Although that's possible, I believe, as do most other leading experts in Kyocera Mita CS-2050 network installation and setup with recent experience, that it isn't really debatable, it is more an occurance of, well, differing definitions of what is meant by Europe has fallen.

In the strict military sense, as exampled by Jericho, of course that's not the case.

In an invasion sense, as exampled by either the Borg or the Replicators, of course that's not the case.

If you take it in light of the Ori, sorry, no pun intended, it is, well, fairly similar, but only in as far as the onset goes. The general premise is the same, and the original actions are the same, but again, the terminus with an actual Borg-type or Replicatorish invasion has not yet started.

As you study the history of Europe, note the rich, deeply rooted traditions that are related to, and in

fact, even define, each geographic region which we have come to know as countries over the centuries.

As peoples peacefully move around, they bring their traditions with them and continue to practice them, but they also partake of the local community. My grandmother, for example, spoke Polish and and read Polish papers and made pierogi and drank green tea with milk in it. However, when she was interacting with people who didn't understand Polish, she would speak English. She attended mass weekly at the local church, even though it wasn't in Latin. When people came to visit, she would make them coffee, even though she never drank it, unless of course, she was at someone's house and it was offered to her. It was polite to accept it, given there were no medical or religious reasons not to. If she did have reasons to not accept it, people would not have offered it, or wouldn't have invited her over in the first place. Although she didn't open an ethnic restaurant, many do. It provides a way for other people to experience other food and even traditons. She was called an immigrant.

Now, if you contrast that to what has been happening in Europe, and America of late as well, you see that

the immigrants are not assimilating into the local culture while maintaining their own, they are isolating themselves and then requiring the local community to not only allow them to exist, but to accept them and make allowances for their customs and their community, as well as support it. This is being promoted under various terms, such as politcal correctness, as well as the re-definition of the word tolerance to include acceptance and, in effect, promotion, of their culture. Tolerance was, and should be, exactly that, tolerance. Nothing more and nothing less. All tolerance means is that you have to, well, not beat the **** out of them when you cross paths. You can dislike them, disparage their mamas, make jokes about them, that doesn't matter. They have a right to exist and to be different, that's all you have to accept. You do not have to accept, and definately do not have to embrace, their customs or their culture.

The political correctness crowd also engages in the re-definition of many other words and, just as insiduosly, the re-classification of many so-called rights. In many discussions there are ludicrous

statements made such as health insurance is "a basic human right which can't be denied". Basic human

rights would include the right to not get the crap beat out of you for, say, having a certain color hair

(blue and the smurfs come to mind, but brown, red, black, etc also apply), dressing a certain way, or

behaving a certain way (perhaps one likes to skip rather than walk). Of course, those actions, or quirks or customs, whatever one wants to call them, may limit your employment opportunities and thusly affect your life. Other basic human rights are such things as to not be experimented on unless you agree, to not be tortured for no reason, to not be raped, to be able to possess things rightfully gained; that's about it.

Basic human rights do not include housing, food or health-care. Basic human rights allow you to possess a

hut, but they do not mean the government, or your employer, should provide one for you. If you want to

herd cats, you can. You may be ridiculed and called a no-good cat-herder, but if it provides for you and is

not illegal, you can be a cat-herder. It's also a basic human right to think, and say, what you want about cat-herders.

Tolerance is letting the cat-herder be a cat-herder. He may ride a nicer mule than you, but you don't have

to go to the cat-herder meetings and the government doesn't need to provide mandatory cat-herder

orientation classes. You don't need to accept or embrace cat-herders or their way of life, you simply need to let them exist. If the Chinese market for cats goes south (not geographically) then it is up to the cat-herder to diversify or retrain. Perhaps the alpaca market is better.

Now, as to how Europe has fallen, they have re-defined tolerance as acceptance, and in many cases actually

include support from a defective human rights standpoint. They have allowed other sub-cultures to

over-shadow their own rich historical culture and dilute their national heritage. As such, they have lost what is essential to human beings, the need to be part of a select group. Being a human doesn't do much

for you, but being an Austrian means something and it gives you not only a group to belong to, but

something to protect and to strive to improve, it's your heritage. It may be the family farm that's been

run for 5 generations. It may be the neighborhood that you live in and are proud of. But that

neighborhood is part of a city, and that city part of a state, and that state part of a country. The

country is the logical stopping point because that is usually where currencies and laws change wholesale,

as well as a barrier being put in place by language, but mostly culture. What Europe has done is to say

that Franciose is no different than Gregoire. You have the same money and the same constitution, you

needn't have any national pride, there is no nation for you to be proud of. There is nothing for you to

improve, protect or even continue. And even though your family has been here for generations and struggled to survive, we'll give Bubba a house and special teachers so he can be just like you, without even trying, because he's human, just like you.

Don't get me wrong, if the Banque Internationale d'Tasmanian Cat-Herders wants to fund the Bubba project, they are free to do that. Bubba's can get BITCH loans and carry on with life. That's one of the

cat-herders' human rights, to sustain Bubba through BITCH loans if they see fit to do so because they can

possess, or choose to give away, what they rightfully own, as long as those funds aren't enabling the

Bubba's to do anything illegal. However, BITCH is not a government entity, is not government supported and

is not government endorsed.

In closing, I'd like to remind everyone that the homework assignment has been waived by the Pope because of St Patty's day, he knew you wouldn't do it anyway, so why not give you special dispensation so you won't break any rules.

And remember to clean up your ashes.

With that noted, we still need one person to clean the blackboard and one to clap the erasers...

Hey!!!

Get back her you ungrateful little...

Dr Pepperhill
Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:35:00 AM
That is one looooong azzed post Z. I Better finish my paper work before attempting any exegetics on this one.
MACS
Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:48:00 AM
Zoinks, that post sounded, oddly, like something Grandpa Simpson would have rambled on about.

But here and there, amidst the nonsensical ramblings, was a snippet of sense and a dash of humor.

Good show, old chap!

zoinks
Thursday, March 16, 2006 11:04:00 AM
b t n w I th k m k yb r an ut o l t rs

s r y.

ruggysgirl
Thursday, March 16, 2006 11:36:00 AM
Bravo Zoinks!

Peppy, I'm not enraged. Ruggysgurgle isn't a typo, nor is it flattering. Yes, you called me pretty. Thanks. As for the thermometer like head comment, if you meant that I am a hot head I will give you that. Like Beyder, I have some Easter European blood, and you saw what a spaz he was sometimes. I don't have endless amounts of time to devote to writing my posts, and often times they come out a bit fragmented. Should I do exhaustive research before I post, and then when posting provide my readers with links and annotations? Perhaps. Am I going to? Not unless every other joker who posts here does. You and I don't see eye to eye on many things. Like I said before, that's OK. You aren't going to say anything that is going to enrage me, though. You don't want to lose your posting privileges.

Dr Pepperhill
Thursday, March 16, 2006 2:37:00 PM
Christ Ruggys, all I wanted to know was WTH "Europe has Fallen" meant!! I'd hate to get mixed up with you on a "what time is it?" or ""is it raining out?" imbroglio. ManOman.
ruggysgirl
Friday, March 17, 2006 5:05:00 AM
LOL!
zoinks
Monday, March 20, 2006 4:29:00 AM
MACS(SW)

See what happens when life gets interrupted by meetings and bosses and customers?

Sorry.

At least the train of thought didn't completely leave the track...

Ruggysgirl,

You have Easter European blood??

Wow, are you going to be busy on April 16th or what!!

j/k : )

ruggysgirl
Monday, March 20, 2006 11:39:00 AM
Zoinks, call me dense . . .Easter Sunday?
ruggysgirl
Monday, March 20, 2006 11:40:00 AM
Oh, DUH!!!! I had to read the two posts next to each other before I got it! Good eye.