that he would ... LOL

Man, he was one of the greats ... I remember the first time I saw him pitch ... even at the major league level, he seemed to stand head and shoulders above the rest ... seemingly, a man among boys ...

I'd LOVE to see him pitch to some of today's prima donnas, especially BB ...

Today's prima donnas would have a hard time with the great pitchers of Gibson's era, he was not the only mean as a snake pitcher.....Early Wynn, Don Drysdale, Robin Roberts, Sal Maglie, would all knock his cartoon character head off the plate...Gibson and Drysdale would do it just for the fun of it, no need to have Bonds smirk and play the ass, the way he celebrates his homeruns most pitchers from Gibby's era would knock his ass down.....

Charlie

Bob Gibsobn was a prick and cheated by using a mound that gave the pitchers an unfiar advantage. So unfair that they lowered it the year after he broke the ERA Record...THE CHEATER. HE USED AN UNFIAR ADVANTAGE! But, you say, the mound wasnt illegal...Neither where steriods in baseball...

Steve my friend...I couldnt agree with you less on this subject, as you well know. But UNTIL you start pissing down every one elses neck that used ANY type of drug that enhanced their performance, IMHO these diatribes have no merit. HUNDREDS of players have used them, yet how many have hit 714 home runs??? As a baseball guy and a long time coach, I know that you are becuase we have had long baseball related discussions and I have the utmost respect for your baseball acumen, but I would think that you would appreciate SOME HOW what an accomplishment this is. You have seen his swing, you know what it takes, the bat control, hand eye coordination. pitch recognition...cmon Steve, the man HAS skills. Is it more that he is a cheater, or that he has let you down in some way?

Cheater, A-hole, a-list player, certain hall of famer who tarnished his name and presumably will die early because it isn't about the game....its about the record.

The only place in USA that this use of steroids is legal is presumably in baseball stadiums.... either baseball stadiums are soveign countries unto themselves, or his use of steroids or performance enhancing drugs was not legal and thus he is a cheater.

He did have great skills, but would not have gotten as far as Ruth without cheating.

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Author: BeatDragon Date: 05/22/2006 04:09 PM

I would think that you would appreciate SOME HOW

what an accomplishment this is ...

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Reread my initial post in this thread ... IMWCO, if one were to make a serious approximation of legitimate home runs (and ignore the inflated totals of McGwire and Sosa who also cheated), Barroid would most likely rank a current sixth all time behind Hank Aaron, Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Frank Robinson and Harmon Killebrew ... with the latter two well within range for this season.

Sixth, or maybe fifth or even fourth ... any of those would be a position highly reflective of his very real talent that you praise ... sadly, Barroid's ego did not allow him to be sixth, fifth or fourth ... it required that he be at the top, so he felt compelled to cheat ... to inject himself with steroids, with HGH, to use the "cream" and the "clear" ... he has defrauded history and cheated guys who also had very real talent, such as Frank Robinson, a man for whom I have the utmost respect ...

not only is Barroid a complete fraud, but along the way, the team itself became complicit, something that makes me absolutely sick to my stomach ... I've been a Giants fan for longer than I'd care to admit being old enough to say (but neither I nor the team lived in the Bay Area when my fandom began) ...

I will never again spend a single penny at their ballpark or on team 'stuff' until Barroid is gone ... but, I WILL go to the park on the first "Bonds-free" day and celebrate the departure of this ignominious, cancerous blight on the game.

Steve..

Point taken.

Frank Robinson..Maybe THE MOST underrated ballplayer of all time...

I'm a HUGE fan of #20 ... years ago, when he was managing the Giants, I met Frank and Tom McCraw who was a constant coach for Frank at every stop along the way until this spring when the new owner of the Nats fired him and installed Mitchell Page as the team hitting coach ... very high-impact experience for me.

Tim (Beat) LOL about Bob Gibson cheating...that is ridiculous statement...all major league mounds were the same height at that time, and Gibby did not have to cheat...he blew them away, black, white, red, didn't matter to him, if they crowded the plate, knock their asses off ofit......

Cannot believe you made such a stupid statement....anything to defend Bonds I guess.

Charlie

Ok um Charlie...said with Tongue FIRMLY planted in check my friend.

You should know I know better than that!

Yeah, I was a little stupid at that......LOPL

Charlie