Hey, it's nothing to get your jute in a bunch over.

You would be wise to do a little more thinking and research. most of what you say is nonsense.

I didn't chicken out Herr Rug, I had made my case, and felt that nothing much was left to say. If you don't understand my relatively clear arguments about the 4th amendment and being secure in one's person, go back and re-read them. If you disagree that's fine; don't have an aneurysm though, lord. This may come as a shock, but being the last one left hollering in an empty room does not an argument win. Didn't you see post #149? [http://tinyurl.com/qz6sr]. What would be the point of covering the same ground over and over ad infinitum?

Lol, but talk about whining and calling names dude, you're the board champ. I detect a man whose mama never gave him any tit.

All this talk about chickening out, and calling names.....

I asked once, I'll ask again:

So if:

"The forth deals with a persons right to be secure in their person (not be dragged away to jail for no reason) their houses (now including cars, boats, tents, ice houses etc), their papers(now to include other forms of correspondence like e mail, phone calls, etc) and their effects (stuff),"

...Then can we pretty much assume that the Bush Administration has scrunched up our blessed Constitution and used it to wipe his butt?

It's a simple yes or no. If it's a no, then please explain why. Dr Pepperhill already said "no" and explained it, but he was being sarcastic.

Man, I'm trying to decide if rugrunner has been minced or chopped. Tough call. Either way, he's had his ass handed to him numerous times on this thread alone. Ouch! That's just brutal.

Brilliant,

I would rather this board go back to the old ways from a few years ago, where people discussed things gentlemanlike. However, just like the division between east and west, and muslim and christian, this board too is now separated by hatred and violence. We can thank the actions of the Bush Administration for most of this. Yes, I'm blaming him, the American people, and myself for ALL of these problems. Never before in the course of history, has so much division been drawn by so many people.

Rug quoted the constitution and what rights it gave us. Those very rights are being taken from us more and more every day. I just wanted an honest answer to my question. I don't want to talk about rubbing it in or anything......just an answer, a denial, or an admission. Then we can learn to talk as men.

I've heard the president being blamed for a lot of things, many of them true. But I somehow think the po' bastid isn't even aware of the Tom-foolery going down on CBBBs, and quite frankly, probably couldn't care less even in our most infected fantasies.

Amazing point Adroomi.

This brilliant guys introductory proclamation was that he is here to take an adversarial stance. (p.s. thanks for hardening our stance chum)

He took one against me leveraging ill speak of rugrunner and I have not seen where rug directly engaged him.

Frankly, I feel that the lefties are provoking a lot of discontent. Because it fuels their cause more than the stereotypically radical reps.

So, what was your complaint? That he would not be here if not for the opportunity to debate?

Whatever happened to drath? Did he get banned?

Time for me to chime in - I think this one has somehow gotten to abortion.

The 4th amendment prohibits the State from siezing a citizen's person or property without due process - which is a bad eample to cite for abortion.

Seeing that all Men are created equal in the eyes of God, and that the rights of each person are endowed by their creator - as stated in the Declaration of Independance - a fetus has rights from the moment of inception. Thus, abortion on demand is unconstitutional, as the very act tramples all over the right of the fetus for life.

We kill criminals only after due-process has been served, and in an ideal world there would be no death penalty at all (as it is the ultimate violation of a person's rights). Thus, shouldn't the fetus be given the same due-process rights that we allow criminals before termination.

Note that after the fifth month in the womb, a premature child has a 25% chance at surviving.