usahog
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22 years ago
on a post or so back some of us got into the discussion of the Patriot Act and what effects it has on our Civil Liberties.... below is a web link to the above subject. So far what I have been finding on the Homeland Security Act and Patriot Act, Patriot Act 2... I cannot find where this would Infringe directly on my Rights as an American?? maybe I'm reading through it?.. below I have added some links to some sites dealing with Terrorists.. because I also wanted to know the Definition of the word...
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Hog
http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/terrorist.cfm 

http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/fs/2002/15222.htm 
jjohnson28
22 years ago
Now I'm all for doing whatever we need to do to catch terrorist before they can do harm but if this next article is true I don't think the patriot act should be used in this manner.Hog I know this probably not why you posted this thread but I thought I'd post it here anyway...LOL


http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/ocr/article.do?id=57177§ion=NATION_WORLD&subsection=NATION&year=2003&month=9&day=16 


Monday, September 15, 2003
Common criminals facing Patriot Act
The anti-terrorism laws are being used against smugglers, drug dealers and run-of-the-mill lawbreakers.

By DAVID B. CARUSO
The Associated Press

PHILADELPHIA – In the two years since law enforcement agencies gained fresh powers to help them track down and punish terrorists, police and prosecutors have increasingly turned the force of the new laws not on al-Qaida cells but on people charged with common crimes.

The Justice Department said it has used authority given to it by the USA Patriot Act to crack down on currency smugglers and seize money hidden overseas by alleged con artists and drug dealers.

A North Carolina county prosecutor charged a man accused of running a methamphetamine lab with breaking a new state law barring the manufacture of chemical weapons. If convicted, Martin Dwayne Miller could get 12 years to life in prison for a crime that usually brings about six months.

Prosecutor Jerry Wilson says he isn't abusing the law, which defines chemical weapons of mass destruction as "any substance that is designed or has the capability to cause death or serious injury" and contains toxic chemicals.

Civil liberties and legal defense groups say the government soon will routinely use anti-terrorism laws against run-of-the-mill lawbreakers.

"Within six months of passing the Patriot Act, the Justice Department was conducting seminars on how to stretch the new wiretapping provisions to extend them beyond terror cases," said Dan Dodson, a spokesman for the National Association of Criminal Defense Attorneys.

The law, passed two months after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, erased many restrictions that had barred the government from spying on its citizens, granting agents new powers to use wiretaps, conduct electronic and computer eavesdropping and access private financial data.

Stefan Cassella of the Justice Department's asset forfeiture and money laundering section, said lawmakers knew the Patriot Act contained provisions that had been on prosecutors' wish lists for years and would be used in a wide variety of cases.

In one case this year, investigators used a provision in the law to recover $4.5 million from telemarketers accused of tricking elderly U.S. citizens into thinking they had won the Canadian lottery. Prosecutors said the defendants told victims they would receive their prize as soon as they paid thousands of dollars in income tax on their winnings.

Before the anti-terrorism act, U.S. officials would have had to use international treaties and appeal for help from foreign governments to retrieve the cash, deposited in banks in Jordan and Israel. Now, they simply seized it from assets held by those banks in the United States.

"These are appropriate uses of the statute," Cassella said. "If we can use the statute to get money back for victims, we are going to do it."

usahog
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22 years ago
JJ Re-Read what you posted slowly Bro... that artical is/was put out there to what? detour law abiding Citizens to feel sorry for the Criminals?

Meth Lab runner faces 12 yrs to life on a term that used to carry 6 months? I would say a meth Lab would fall under the new law as WMD capabilities...

Drug Smuggling,Money Laundering, Etc... are we to protect such activity?

If your caught squirrel hunting out of the back your truck by a Game Warden... and he also see's you have 6 squirrels bagged and the limit is 5.. but on further investigation he finds you are not carrying a current Hunting Liscense... which Penalty is going to be the stiffest?

come on Bro... that artical was writen for us folks to feel sorry for the Criminals... so us law abiding Citizens will raise a voice to Governement to protect their ass's...
I for one ain't never intentenually going to break any laws... Now if they Wire Tapped my Home and then sold the MP3's on the Internet of the Porn Sounds coming from the Bedroom... then I would Raise a B!tch Fit... mainly for not being cut in on the Profits and Proceeds... at least give me a Tax Break!!!!!

Hog
Homebrew
22 years ago
Hey Hog,
what if they use these expanded powers, to find out you brought a bunch of ISOM's from overseas. Raid your house, and conviscate your humidor?????
then your house, asset forfeture. Just one step toward a fascist government.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
Homebrew
22 years ago
Wouldn't be too cool, would it Russell????
Later
Homebrew)
usahog
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22 years ago
Skaret me so bad... they ain't gunna find any ISOM's in my Place near as they can tell...


Hog
Homebrew
22 years ago
LOL Hog, of course, that was all hypothetical, but just keepin ya on your toes. LOL
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
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