if you don't know your history, you are going to repeat it.

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0408/hentoff.php 

Even those who know the history all too often repeat it anyway. Such is the human condition.

Rick,

Did you read the article? Your comment about history repeating itself is not applicable.

I do not recall you have been warning all of us about this problem. What would your solution be?

HockeyDad

i most certainly have. any post about ashcroft or little w and their patriot act is history repeating itself.

wait until all the people that are not in christian churches on sunday are shipped off to the concentration camps already built. where? do your own research, you won't believe me.

The constant harping from the left about how our individual freedoms are being taken from us is tiresome at best, and it could be construed as giving aid to the enemy at its worst.

Apparently nobody on the left understands the concept of sacrifice for the common good.

For example, lets say a highly contageous, fatal disease breaks out in a large city. Public health officials urge, even beg, the President to declare a state of emergency and quarantine the city to prevent the spread of something fatal. There will naturally be those people who will not submit voluntarily and the President will order that those people be imprisoned, probably in their own homes, for the duration of the emergency. When this happens, as it inevetibly will happen, the left will rise up and complain that these people's right of assembly or something else has been violated and their ACLU lawyers will sue in federal court for their release. When this happens, and it will happen sooner or later, I pray to God Almighty that the federal courts send the left and their ACLU lawyers packing.

You might be asking yourselves what this has to do with al Quaeda and the PWs held offshore. My example is exactly on point. The people being held in Navy brigs want to kill Americans (or help others kill Americans) in the following order:
1]U.S. Servicemen and women,
2]Americans abroad,
3]Americans on American soil.

If these people are in the brig then they can't try to kill U.S. soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines in foreign countries and they can't plot to kill our fellow citizens here at home.

I for one am glad that Dubya wants to keep these people in detention. Their right to freedom ends when they plot to kill me and my fellow citizens.

00camper let me add to that a bit
1]U.S. Servicemen and women,
2]Americans abroad,
3]Americans on American soil.

in this order
1] Americans on American soil. More points with Ala...
2] U.S. Servicemen and women, more added points but not as high if not on american soil
3] Americans abroad, they were in the wrong place at the right time.. points but not getting any virgins...

rick I will respond to your post later...

Hog

I agree with you on that. One example would have been if there was an F-18 behind the plane heading towards the WTC knowing what was going to happen. Should you shoot it down or not? Do you sacrifice the lives of some to save the lives of many? I say push the button. If myself or any of my family members were on that plane that is what I would have said.

Yo Rick: Yes you have warned us in the past, I remember it as if it was just yesterday hmmm... " The sky's falling the sky's falling " ah yes I remember it well. Thankyou Rickalittle for refreshing my memory. JonR

Rick, Mr Komatsu was an AMERICAN of Japanese descent, dwelling in California, under US civil law when his rights were violated. You are comparing him to Arabs, Pakistanis, and Iranians, who have never set foot inside of the US, never been US citizens, and whose only intrest in the US has been to figure out how to attack and destroy her. Your comparison is a travesty!

Rick,

You have not been warning us about the "Second American Taliban". That is what the article is about. It is not about the Patriot Act or John Ashcroft. It is about Yaser Hamdi.

The topic of the article is about a man born in Louisiana to Saudi Arabian parents who lived most of his life abroad and eventually was caught fighting with the Taliban in Afghanistan when he surrendered to the Northern Alliance. The question is, does he have rights as a US citizen, as a prisoner of war, or an illegal enemy combatant according to the Geneva Convention.

Your comment about history repeating itself would only be applicable if the US government was using the Patriot Act to round up Arabs and Muslims (not mutually exclusive terms) much as Americans of Japanese decent were round up during World War 2 and put in internment camps. This has not happened, therefore your comment is not applicable. It just so happens that the person the article talks about who is filing the brief on behalf of Yaser Hamdi was an American of Japanese decent who was imprisoned during World War 2. It just so happens that the article devotes most of the print to this individual's history, not the issue at hand for which he is filing the brief. Fred Korematsu's life story has no bearing on the issue at hand but it distracted you and tricked you into adding this to your "War on Republicans".

As I said before, did you read the article and what would your solution be to the problem?

Recap:

A US citizen was caught in Afghanistan fighting against the United States and the Northern Alliance.
Because he is a US citizen, should he still be held as a illegal enemy combatant, held as a prisoner of war, or charged in US criminal court with unlawful discharge of a firearm, a misdemenor? Presently, he is held as an illegal enemy combatant.

Are you offering a solution or spam?

On an unrelated note, "wait until all the people that are not in christian churches on sunday are shipped off to the concentration camps already built. where? do your own research, you won't believe me" is quite a scary thing to say. Black helicopters, X-Files....lock your doors, the government is coming for you. Were these concentration camps built during the Bush Administration or the Clinton Administration? Where are they and what appropriations bill funded them?

Rick I have posted it before on topics about John Walker Lindsy's case on here when talked about

here look it up FACTS Verbaitum
http://firstgov.gov/Topics/Reference_Shelf.shtml#laws 

and Citizenship US is lost when a person picks up arms against the United States.. Section #3 Read Read Read!!!!!! and that member loses his/her Citizenship meaning also they lose their rights under the United States Constitution... a combatent to the USA does not fall under the Genieva Convention rules and regs for coverage there of... Meaning word "Combatant" as in the case of the Al Quaida in the eye's of the world they were not fighting from a government rule.. they were just based in the War Torn Land of Afganistan/Africa and other parts of the world to house themselves and did not have a governing substantial governement.. (hope that makes sence) I'm a little upset at how stupid some really are and it's a frickin Shame!!!!!!

I am Damn Proud to know some of the Iron I loaded on Aircraft found their mark to shut down these **** who so much hate my Country!!!!!!

When my retirement date finally comes... I got some story's to tell!!!!!

Rick please save this site I gave you and do refrence the Facts on matters.. their all there in Black and White and even some with Color!!!!!!

Hog

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/terrorleg.htm 

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Hog

" the people that are not in Christian churches on Sunday are shipped off to the concentration camps" Rick, are you attacking my religion?

JESUS IS LORD!

When my retirement date finally comes... I got some story's to tell!!!!!

Hog, when that day comes, I'll take some leave, we'll hit the Package store, or Class Six store, or whatever they call it on the nearest base, and I'll listen to your stories! (but you may hafta listen to a few of mine!) LOL

LOL Deal CW!!!!!!

Only we'll catch some local store and head to the KOA at Virgina Beach... kick a up a camp fire and sit around till they kick us off the lot LOL.. then we'll go crash Penzt's place and drag Tarheel with us LOL

Hog

00camper

when they came for the enemy combatants, i didn't cry out.

when they came for foriegn born american citizens, i didn't cry out.

when they came for the orientals, i didn't cry out.

when they came for the hispanics, i didn't cry out.

when they came for the blacks, i didn't cry out.

when they came for the mentally retarded, the sick, and the lame, i didn't cry out.

when they came for me, i cried out,


but there was no one to hear me.

JonR

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