RICKAMAVEN
22 years ago
""I was born black," said Thompson. "I was born male. Homosexuals are not born, they're made. They don't qualify. It doesn't protect behavior patterns"

he is wrong.
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22 years ago
Rick, are you impyling that Homosexual people know their going to be Homesexuals before their born? or while their growing up at such a young age of 2 or 3 or 4???

Hog
bloody spaniard
22 years ago
Studies indicate that some may have a genetic predisposition to it, such as an extra chromosome, etc. Others simply "learn" the lifetstyle. I think that it's a combination of both.

I've heard of quite a few homosexuals who have had overbearing mothers...
pabloescabar
22 years ago
thats cuz the mom does all the beatings and dads smoking gars and has no cares in the world.
xrundog
22 years ago
I think there are certainly homosexual civil rights issues. I don't think marriage is one of them. The Constitution does not address marriage. It's a legal issue. And there is no logical reason for homosexual marriage to be illegal.
Cavallo
22 years ago
the dominant scientific opinion is that homosexuality is HARD WIRED -- in other words, you are "born that way." there is evidence that there may be subtle differences within the brain structure of homosexuals and heterosexuals, and there is also support for the notion that, during a pregnancy, hormones that "flood" the fetus -- the "hormone dump" that determines whether a fetus will remain female (as all feti start out female) or become male -- affect the fetus differently. in other words, a fetus that gets a "dump" of testosterone becomes male; if there are differences in the levels of hormones dumped, the result is a hard-wired sexual orientation of homosexuality.

there is even more solid evidence that transgendered people have distinct brain differences -- a man who is born into a male body but feels all of his life that he is a woman? there's a reason for that. such a person DOES have the BRAIN of a woman -- there are structural differences in the mail and female brain. transsexuals truly have the brain structure of the opposite of their physical sex!

and yes, of homosexuals who can remember back that far, many many many say that they have ALWAYS had their sexual orientation -- going back to the earliest memories at age 2, 3, 4, etc., they recall having attractions for MOTSS (members of the same sex).

the notion that TRUE homosexuals are "taught" to be gay has been debunked. a TRUE homosexual is born that way, to put it succinctly. there are, however, people who engage in sexual acts that run contrary to their TRUE orientation -- for instance, a man who is raped in prison by another man has not been "converted." if he was a heterosexual before he was aped, he will be heterosexual afterwards.

homosexuality is an ORIENTATION. it is not a LIFESTYLE or a BEHAVIOR -- just as heterosexuality is an ORIENTATION, not a lifestyle or behavior.

a heterosexual woman can display homosexual behavior by having sex with a woman; that does not change her orientation. she could have sex with a woman for many reasons other than physical attraction.

in looking at the term "lifestyle," one should ask what is the heterosexual "lifestyle." hetero men and women have many, many, many different ways of being heterosexual -- so do gays, lesbians and bisexuals. there are heteros who are family-oriented, who are sex-crazed playboys/girls, who have little interest in sex at all -- ad infinitum, the list goes on and on.

it doesn't make much sense to say that a gay man had a "domineering mother" or whatever and that's what made him gay -- there are many, many, many gay men who do not fit the limp-wristed homosexual stereotype. they are not, however, usually SEEN as being gay, though, because the don't APPEAR to be gay. my brother is a case in point. he looks and acts just like every other semi-truck driver on the road out there in his jeans and flannel shirts, listening to his country music. he is "invisible" though because he doesn't fit the nancy boy stereotype.

also, it is unlikely that homosexuals -- the vast majority by far of whom are raised by heterosexual parents -- "learn" to be gay. the "it's mom's fault" or "it's dad's fault" factor additionally makes no sense when one considers homosexuals who have brothers or sisters who were raised by the same parents and did NOT "learn" to be gay.

just some food for thought from someone who has done one hell of a lot of reading and research in trying to understand his own brother.
RICKAMAVEN
22 years ago
usahog

come on now, that is too much extrapolating.

one doesn't start getting sexual urges until the beginning of puberty.
RICKAMAVEN
22 years ago
xrundog

stop being so rational. read some of JonR's responses, and start responding illogically.
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22 years ago
One of the Reasons I cannot Stand Bill O'Rielly
O Factor.. is because about 2 1/2 yrs ago he had a born again homosexual on his show.. and he ate that man alive in every aspect he could throw at him...

this man was a born again Christian and with that he had gone strait... to listen to his testamony on the events in his life before and then after... but Bill O didn't want to hear this and didn't feel the american public did either...

Cavalo.. I will stand strong on this issue.. this is a choice people are not born with this BS in the brain.. that is a copout, just as a man and woman merry... and then decide to cheat on one another... or have what they call today an Open Relationship......

To Each his own.. but they are the ones to answer for their own choices in lifes journey...

I do not have a choice because I was born with Brown eyes I'll have to live with that... and as the preacher points out in his article they did not have a choice because they were born black.... but to grow up and decide which partner a person chooses in life they do have a choice to make...

I've got allot of friends who are homosexual... I lost a cousin to Aids 12 yrs ago because that was the lifestyle he chose to live...I lost an Uncle to Aids because he and his wife were permiscious (sp) I've got friends who cannot function unless they smoke a joint first thing in the morning... these are all choices...
I'm sorry one cannot sell me on the idea a person is born with a deficiancy to want to take on a same sex partner... in my eye's that is a Choice...

Hog
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22 years ago
Rick you are the one that said this man was WRONG??

he did not say he changed colors when he reached puberty... so what did you mean by your statement above about him being Wrong???

Hog
RICKAMAVEN
22 years ago
Cavallo

you know what you are talkong about and have explained it succinctly.

but

"a heterosexual woman can display homosexual behavior by having sex with a woman; that does not change her orientation. she could have sex with a woman for many reasons other than physical attraction"

damn right and i like those kind of "adult" movies.
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22 years ago
so Rick you like to watch the Two men in action also??

Cavallo
22 years ago
usahog wrote: "to grow up and decide which partner a person chooses in life they do have a choice to make..."

when did you choose not to be attracted to men, hog?

rick: yeah, it's odd how homosexuality is a disgusting outrage -- until it comes to two hot women being sensual/sexual with each other; then it's a turn-on. :/
RICKAMAVEN
22 years ago
usahog

no.

as cavallo said, it's not the same turn on.
usahog
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22 years ago
well I guess it was when I was raped by my babysitter when I was 8 yrs old.. ever since then it's been women all the way and I don't ever think I turned a blinker on a male...

Hog
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22 years ago
Rick what do you mean not the same turn on?? are you making a choice here??

Cavalo buffered my question to you with his statement...

So you have a "prefrence" in your "selection" of viewing pleasures?? so would it be offensive to you Rick to watch to men french kissing outside your house in public?? but if two women were doing it you would be out front doing some yard work right??

Hog
ilovemaui
22 years ago
Whether you are born that way or not marriage should be between a man and a woman. They can't pro-create. I f everyone was gay the species would die off. Of course most liberals would think thats a good thing. The world is going crazy and the liberals are going to use science and political correctness to spread their idiotic dogma.
Cavallo
22 years ago
ilovemaui: there are heterosexual couples who also cannot procreate. we do not deny them marriage.

have you ever thought that such couplings that cannot produce children might be natural population CONTROL?

there has been, it seems, a historically very consistent percentage of homosexual human beings: between 8-10%. that is pretty remarkable given the way societies differ the world over, how times and mores change, etc.

sidenote: just to clarify, hog, i wasn't trying to insult or single you out. my question was meant in the general "you" way, not the specifically YOU you way. 🙂
xrundog
22 years ago
It is a presumption to say that being a homosexual is a deficiency. It is also a presumption to say it's a perversion. These are opinions unsupported by scientific data. You are welcome to this opinion. But it's not right to base laws on opinions without a supporting argument of some sort. The "marriage is for procreation" argument is very weak. Many people procreate every day without the benefit of marriage. Others who are married choose not to procreate at all.

Rick, I gotta be rational. It's my nature!
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