Don Cavallo, I don't agree with everything you said but you're certainly MUCH better read on the subject than I. One area of difference is the 8-10 percent figure. Didn't that originate from the highly discredited Kinsey report? Based on artificially-high numbers taken from a prison population by the king pervert himself? Not that it makes a big difference, but I've heard that the percentage is closer to 2-3.

By the way, for a big, burly, tuff ex-cop you know WAY too much about dem homersexuals. You don't own a pair of well-worn leather chaps with the cheeks cut out, do you? QUICK, what's your favorite color? A- ha! Pasley, just as I thought.

blood

PS: My "generalizations" on homosexuals (overbearing mothers, good grooming, intelligent, always proselytizing, etc.) was based on what I saw & heard (from them). I worked with & made friends with MANY homosexuals while I was an auditor for a couple of major insurance companies in the Dupont area of DC- probably only second to San Francisco. I found them to be very engaging, nice men/women but ALWAYS trolling. I'm sure that there are exceptions to the rule.

Rick, you never answered my question???

Blood what do you mean by Trolling??

Hog

Looking for sexual trysts, hog. The ones that I knew were good, honest, professional people who openly admitted their lust. They were also CONSTANTLY trying to win me & other straights over-- I drew the line on just holding hands on the first date though.

Kidding aside, they had an unquenchable thirst for sex. Possibly to fill a void. I don't know. Maybe it was the times (early eighties).

no that is what I was asking.. Thirst.. as Rick pointed out above.. it is ok "in Many Eye's" to view two women together "Sexually" its a thirst for many men.. but to view two men together kinda toss's some nuts and bolts in a fire...

even today the homosexual friends I have had made Sexual expicit comments to myself on different occasions.. some teasingly other times not... but they know infulentually I accept them for who they are and I will not step into the relm of lifestyle they choose that makes them happy....

as this article or thread began.. these preachers who many ancestors and themselves have dealt with Civil Rights issues first hand feel the Gay's/lesbians are pulling on shirt strings that are not there...

This is not a civil rights issue.. it's plainly a gay rights issue... people are not born homosexual it is a chosen lifestyle... and what would be next??

Rick I am still awaiting your answer...

Hog

All interesting points of view! Homosexuality is trendy now and they are getting big ratings on TV shows, so we will get blasted with many shows featuring gays, and gay lifestyles! It still takes a man and a woman to make one baby, whoops, stem cell and cloning can take care of that, so what next?

Charlie

My opinion? I'm a christian. I believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman. I also believe that gays should be allowed the same rights as married couples by calling it a "civil union" or whatever. I don't know much about the subject of why gay people are gay and I really don't care to judge them. Judgement will come when they die.

Does anyone in here really understand genetics and the way it controls our hormone patterns, mental status, emotional moods, and other physiological states?

What causes you to have heterosexual urges are a combo of several hormones in your body that are triggered by senses or any stimili. Thus some people have high sex drives or low sex drives depending upon physiological states, one being hormone levels. The same can be applied to homosexual tendencies. Thus a male that produces too much of a hormone that triggers homosexual desires will have homosexual urges. Genetics and hormone levels do play a big part in homosexuality. But it is a mix of both genetics and enviroment. To say its all one or the other is wrong. I think homosexual rights are civil rights, no question about it.

choner

I see, I see, very interrrresting.

My rebuttal (no pun intended) is: I saw, what I saw, 'n dats all what I saw..."

Popeye blood

yea rights, right to a Island sos they can have there own Country and do what they like but not infront of me and my family.

pablo: i've seen a lot more het couples doing a lot more sexual things in public than i've seen gay couples doing -- even in san francisco. i don't want to see ANYONE playing tonsil hockey while i'm trying to watch a movie or eat dinner in a restaurant.

blood: (you KNOW that name is just sooooo studly!) 😉 heh. my brother's gay. i knew him and his friends pretty early on in my life. i grew up knowing and being friends with gays and lesbians -- didn't know a bisexual until i hit college though. she was mighty popular. heh.

you know, it's interesting, though, to take this a step further -- there's a current scientific theory that asserts that gay males and lesbians may be influenced by hormones more than heterosexuals are. the "manifestation" of this is that many gay men have higher sex drives than het men do; lesbian women may have lower sex drives than het women do.

there are two "cultural anecdotes" (i.e., JOKES) that bear this out (if it's true). the stereotypical gay man has a high sex drive and doesn't want to "settle down" with just one guy. the stereotypical lesbian couple are quick to form an exclusive, monogamous couplehood and move in together quickly after meeting. the term "LBD" or "lesbian bed death" refers to the tendency for many lesbians to basically stop having sex after a relatively short time as a couple living together (straight men know this as "welcome to the club!" syndrome after marriage -- ba dum dum!)

anyway, the jokes:

Q what does a gay man bring to a second date?

A what second date?

Q what does a lesbian bring to a second date?

A a U-Haul

ba dum dum. there's your queer culture lesson du jour.

Seeeee--I knew I wasn't crazeeee.

You gay caballero you.

blooodeee

blood: you cheeky monkey you. 🙂

alas, if i were gay my wife wouldn't make fun of me for wearing plaid pajama bottoms with a (different) plaid flannel shirts for "hang around the house" attire.

i tell her, "yeah, yeah. just wait. this'll be some seriously hip metro stuff in a year or two!" 😛

hey Tony, I love you Man...

pablocito... you put the "¡AY!" in GAY, amigo!

blood: ctrl + 173 *grin*

night, folks.

oh! feh. i actually DID have something relevant to post... blood, you're right about the stats. it is closer to 2-3% -- and that number's remained stable among all cultures and throughout recordable history.

sorry about the error. i need some serious sleep! 😛

anyway, yes, the kinsey report has been scrutinized and found lacking -- it was a matter of classification, though, nothing scandalous that i'm aware of. basically, kinsey's stats were based on different criteria, but the methodology was still good. the numbers had to be lowered, though, to reflect homosexuality and not include bisexuality as well.

thanks for bringing that to my attention! and what the hey, bro. we certainly don't have to agree on every single point in the world in order to respect each other and to be amici.

Tony, you're a class act!

Pablo's not the only one who loves you bro.

blood

touche...

Aren't Gays the only group that claims special rights simply based on how they sex?