RICKAMAVEN
22 years ago
with no particular response to anything i saw, i observed the following:

powell arrived with several members of his staff.

rumsfield arrived with generals all around and an entourage, causing one of the commissioners to ask if they had come on a bus.

clark sat alone.
usahog
22 years ago
Did Clark have Gas that Day???

Hog
DrMaddVibe
22 years ago
Nobody likes a liar!
JonR
22 years ago
And the cheese (eater) stands alone...The cheese (eater) stands alone... Hi Ho Adairio the cheese (eater) stands alone. JonR
xibbumbero
22 years ago
He who eats cheese, tells the truth. X
RICKAMAVEN
22 years ago
JonR

i'm starting to enjoy your posts.

rick
eleltea
22 years ago
He who cuts the cheese dines alone.
xrundog
22 years ago
One of mine:
All of the info against Clark is coming from Condi Rice. How can you believe a liar calling someone a liar? I think Clark's case has merit and the administration is furiously engaging in damage control. Clark appeared sharp yesterday. But Condi refuses to testify. Hmmmmmm.
xibbumbero
22 years ago
LLT,Is that why you eat alone? X :~)
00camper
22 years ago
Okay. Let me try to understand this one.

The left is unhappy that Dubya DID take unilateral action against Hussein AFTER he refused to comply with I can't remember how many UN resolutions to "please let our inspectors see your reactors and incubators."

The left is unhappy that Dubya DID NOT take unilateral action to assassinate Osama Bin Laden BEFORE he orchestrated the 9/11 attacks.

I have a feeling that if Bin Laden had been assassinated and Hussein had been left alone that there would be an independent commission to address the "unwarranted killing of an innocent foreign national for political purposes."

Nothing seems to make the left happy.
THL
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  • Herf-A-Holic
22 years ago
It's an election year. Dems are anti-Bush. Repubs are pro-Bush. Truth has nothing to do with it.
MACS
22 years ago
And as I have said on a few posts before... we live in a country that is just as corrupt as the 3rd world countries are, only we're better at hiding it. But as f**ked up as it is -- it is still the best democracy going.

Power corrupts. Everyone has a price. We would like to think that we would all behave honestly and think about the nation before ourselves... Then some fat-cat corporation dangles a few million in front of you and tells you that there is NO WAY you can get caught... and now you're one of them.
sketcha
22 years ago
I'm no lefty, but it does bother me a bit that Condi refuses to testify. She's not legally obligated of course, but in the interest of information...
bloody spaniard
22 years ago
Testify? Why?

Have you seen the "hearings"?
With a few exceptions it's like one big "country club" with a bunch of pus- filled windbags.

All I know is that "******" is a bitter, partisan, lying, self-serving, coward who is angry because he was demoted to "Protector of Cyberspace Security".

I despise this bureaucrat who was a Bush supporter until he was told that he wouldn't run Homeland Security. Fortunately his lies/contradictions have been caught on tape.

It's people like this and Kerry who are driving me back to the Dubya camp.

blood
Cavallo
22 years ago
from what i've heard about things so far, the clinton admin screwed up in some ways, the bush admin in other ways. no one's perfect. when you take a side, you point all the fingers at the other side, and no REAL progress ever gets made.

i'm tired of corporations running our country. martha's going to jail, but where's ken lay?

i'm tired of us not having candidates worthy of the people of this country -- you know, the ones who, despite all the corruption and games and bull$hit and lied, make it great and keep it functioning.

i'm tired of the same back and forth, finger-pointing ping pong game. another scandal, another day. at the end of the day, nothing will be different.

i'm tired of political labels and stereotypes. i can't STAND kerry, and yet i get labeled as his biggest fricken fan! but hey, divide and confuse. as long as we're bush men or kerry men, we'll not get around to being americans together.

9/11 happened. there are, i'm sure, many reasons why it happened, and i'm sure the accountability could go all the way back to the 80's or earlier if you want to get picky about it.

i'm not so much interested in who screwed the pooch harder. i'm more interested in flushing as many bin laden troopsters down the toilet as possible, and getting our troops the hell out of there -- for good.

i'm interested in FIXING AMERICA FIRST and doing some "JUST SAY NO!" talk to other countries who want america to feed and heal and clothe and house them while they head to the back room to plot how to murder us and teach their children that we're "american nazis" who deserve to die.
DrMaddVibe
22 years ago
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/3/24/123918.shtml 

I believe Clarke didn't like working for a woman. His statements in the past are in direct conflict with what he wrote and testified to yesterday. If anyone is looking for a scapegoat on who knew what where when...then look no further than this schmuck!

He hammers on the Bush administration when most of the players weren't even in their place until March/April and then pisses and moans that they weren't responsive enough to his claims. I say what's been said before. If there was THAT much to his claims then why did they go unanswered for 8 years under Clinton. Funny how Clarke is giving them a total pass on the issue, but wants to beat Bush up with it.

Then he claims that government and he failed the American public. Well, he was half right. Government does move slow and that's a fact. The Patriot Act was designed to expedite the process that agencies interact with each other, but people bitch about it like it's snooping into their private life. What way do you want the knofe to slice? Do you want to be protected or do you want to bitch?

As far as Condi not testifying...I see the point for her being there but after what I've seen...it's just politics and Monday morning QB'ing! We can't change what happened. We can only learn and move forward. These preceedings are grandstanding about nothing.
Sylance
22 years ago
Cavallo,

I don’t agree with you much, but I agree with you on this. I don’t want to dilute my agreement with you, but what's frustrating to me is Bush had 9 months of leadership underneath him and some folks in the media make it seem like this is all his fault.

This is so typical of American culture. Haven't we learned anything from Japan's business culture? They don’t look to place blame; they look to fix the problem. When this is all said and done... how are we going to be safer?
CWFoster
22 years ago
HEAR HEAR to the last three posts! If Clark was so "on the ball" about the threat Osama posed, why did the Clinton Administration pass on an offer from the Sudanese government to turn him over in the late 90's? After the Cole, the Embassey bombings, and Khobar Towers, the people Clark worked for, whom he advised, threw a few Tomahawks at the camps in Afghanistan, and called it good! Who does this hypocrite think he is? If the American people are stupid enough to fail to realize the obvious, they DESERVE whatever goverment lies to them the worst!
DrMaddVibe
22 years ago
http://www.insightmag.com/news/2004/03/30/World/How-George.W.Bush.Got.Qaddafis.Attention-632702.shtml 

I like this part too....

Qaddafi now sought counsel from an unusual source, which Insight can reveal here for the first time. One month before Qaddafi's historic announcement on Dec. 19, 2003, he met in Tripoli with visiting Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma. "During their private meeting, Qaddafi asked Kuchma how America had treated him when he gave up his nuclear weapons after the fall of the Soviet Union," says Weldon, who heard the story directly from Ukrainian Foreign Minister Kostyantyn Hryshchenko. Kuchma suggested that Qaddafi broaden his ties beyond the administration and work with members of the U.S. Congress, as well.

The final event that sealed the fate of Qaddafi's nuclear-weapons program took place in early December 2003 along the borders of the Tigris River near Tikrit, when U.S. soldiers pulled former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein out of a spider hole."When Qaddafi watched a U.S. medic probe Saddam's hair for lice and poke around his mouth, he was stunned," several sources tell Insight. Western diplomats in Tripoli agree that Saddam's capture "traumatized" the Libyan leader. "What happened is very clear," an administration official says. "Things happened, and immediately afterward the Libyans did things in response."

Until Saddam's capture, "we were still negotiating. Both sides were sparring back and forth," a British official involved in the talks says. "Things radically changed course after that." Just 10 days later, Qaddafi made his official announcement that Libya was giving up its WMD programs and had invited U.S. and British experts into the country to verify the dismantling of his weapons plants.

Ultimately, the credit for the dramatic change in direction goes to Qaddafi, a Western ambassador in Tripoli believes: "He understood that his revolution could not continue unless he delivered more prosperity to Libyans, and the only way to do that was by renewing relations with the West." Now it's up to the United States to deliver its side of the bargain, he adds, by lifting sanctions and resuming normal trade with Libya.


What was Clarke's plan on dealing with Libya?
00camper
22 years ago
Cavallo,
An accomplished person wanting to serve their country in state-wide or national office doesn't stand a chance of getting elected. Every reporter on the political beat wants to be the next Woodward or Bernstein to break an "important story" about a candidate. Every successful business person has at least one skeleton in their closet and the media are eagerly awaiting an opportunity to open the door and show it to the world. The best people - the people who just want to solve a problem and go back to their private lives - are afraid to run for office beyond the county level, and even that is too hard in some places.

If you want Norman Rockwell type characters to run for office in America today you need to shoot all the reporters first. In this day and age Franklin Roosevelt couldn't even get elected.
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