JonR
22 years ago
Do you want to play a game?

How about hangman?

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22 years ago
Maybe you'll believe the AP

26 Ex-U.S. Diplomats Urge Bush's Ouster:

By HARRY DUNPHY, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - A group of 26 retired U.S. diplomats and military officers said Wednesday that President Bush (news - web sites) should be voted out of office in November for damaging U.S. national security interests and America's standing in the international community.

Today we see that structure crumbling under an administration blinded by ideology and a callous indifference to the world around it," said Phyllis Oakley, former assistant secretary of state for intelligence and research. "Never before have so many of us felt the need for a major change in the direction of our foreign policy."

Retired Gen. Merrill A. "Tony" McPeak, former Air Force chief of staff, said the Bush administration anticipated a rosy reception after a military victory in Iraq (news - web sites) but "we were totally unprepared for the post-combat occupation. So we see here unfolding before us a total disaster."

Charles Freeman, former ambassador to Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf war, said the administration's handling of wider relations with the Islamic world was particularly damaging to U.S. interests in the long run.

The group, which calls itself Diplomats and Military Commanders for Change, did not explicitly endorse Democrat John Kerry (news - web sites) for president in a statement outlining its views. But one of its members said Sunday "it goes more or less without saying."

The statement suggested Bush's policies had left the United States isolated in the world.

Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) reacted sharply to the allegation, noting that Bush has gone to the United Nations (news - web sites) repeatedly in search of support from the international community.

"We are in Iraq with many other nations that are contributing troops. Are we isolated from the Brits, from the Poles, from the Romanians, from the Bulgarians, from the Danes, from the Norwegians?" he asked.

Powell said the authors of the statement "wish to see President Bush not re-elected. I do not believe that will be the judgment of the American people." He commented in an interview with the Qatar-based al-Jazeera television network.

The Bush-Cheney campaign said at least 20 members of the group have been involved in partisan political activities in the past.

"It is not surprising that John Kerry has the support of a group of people who share his belief that the threat of terror is exaggerated," Bush-Cheney spokesman Steve Schmidt said in a statement. "This is a group that shares John Kerry's pre-September 11th world view and supports John Kerry's failed ideas for treating terrorism as a matter mainly for law-enforcement and intelligence."

State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said people who leave the Foreign Service can say what they want.

"This is a group of people who have taken a stand, made a statement. They are free to do so," he said. "I think this administration has a record that it is happy to stand on," he added.

Among the group are 20 ambassadors, appointed by presidents of both parties, other former State Department officials and military leaders whose careers span three decades.

Prominent members include retired Marine Gen. Joseph P. Hoar, commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East during the administration of Bush's father; retired Adm. William J. Crowe Jr., ambassador to Britain under President Bill Clinton (news - web sites) and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under President Ronald Reagan (news - web sites); and retired Adm. Stansfield Turner, former head of the Central Intelligence Agency (news - web sites).

Hoar is a prominent critic of the war in Iraq, and Crowe and Turner have endorsed Kerry.

Also included is Jack F. Matlock, who was appointed by Reagan as ambassador to the Soviet Union and retained the post under the first President Bush, and William C. Harrop, the first President Bush's ambassador to Israel and four African countries.

Normally, former diplomats and military commanders avoid making political statements, especially in an election year. But last month 53 former diplomats accused the Bush administration of undermining U.S. credibility in the Middle East by its strong support for Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites).
MDavis
22 years ago
I didn't know the Bulgarians were with us in Iraq. Well, I not worried at all now about the outcome in Iraq. I mean it's the Bulgarians - doesn't get any better than that!
Robby
22 years ago

26 Ex-U.S. Diplomats Urge Bush's Ouster:

Ahum, are there any voting registration records for these 26 "so called" diplomats? What if we checked and all 26 of their "so calleld" experts were registered libbys? What if all 26 of them Voted for Ducaccus(sp), then Clinton, then Gore? Would that tend to shade their opinion? I'm not saying they did, I've just leared to pass things through my BS filter... And this post don't pass the smell test. Phew! Smells like Maven! Damn! Did somebody take a Rick in here? And forget to wipe their Maven? Dayam! What did you eat!!??
Robby
22 years ago
"Normally, former diplomats and military commanders avoid making political statements, especially in an election year. But last month 53 former diplomats accused the Bush administration of undermining U.S. credibility in the Middle East by its strong support for Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites)."

Rick? Are you an anti-semetic Jew?
Robby
22 years ago
Rick? Is the Mossad "them"?
Robby
22 years ago
Rick? RICK? RRRRRRRIIIIIIICCCCCCCCKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!???????????

What scares you so? I'm a cream puff? My questions are not that intimidating, are they? What about logic and truth tightens your sphincter? Because clearly, you're biting chunks out of your Barkalounger buddy. You soil the sheets everytime your confronted with this question. Why do you hate the Jews so? What is it about those little Israelis that scares you? Are there any mirrors in your house?
Kazama
22 years ago
Former officials say US security policy a failure

PETER SLEVIN
The Washington Post

Washington - Angered by President Bush's conduct of foreign policy and dismayed about America's diminished reputation abroad, more than two dozen former top diplomats and military leaders will release a statement this week calling for a change in US national-security policy.

Members of the group -- a mix of Republicans and Democracts -- have served in capitals from Moscow to Tel Aviv and from Lima to Kinshasa. It includes a former chairman of the Joint Cheifs of Staff, a former head of US Central Command, a former CIA director and a decorated array of former ambassadors and assistant secetaries of state and defense.

"We all have this extremely strong feeling that this administration has failed in its responsibility to the nation," H. Allen Holmes, former assistant secretary of defense for special operations, said yesterday. "We have never been so isolated in the world, and feared. It's incredible that the United States should be in that position."

As a group, they are the latest and most prominent collection of former national-security figures to complain about the direction of Bush administration foreign policy. They came together at a moment of growing doubt about Bush's handling of foreign affairs and the war in Iraq.

A senior official at the Bush re-election campaign said he did not wish to comment on the statement until it is released. But administration officials have emphatically rejected charges that Bush has isolated america in the world, pointing to the countries contributing troops in Iraq and such signs of support for the administration as the unanimous passage last week of the UN resolution authorizing the interim Iraqi government.

While the group's views are largely shared by Bush's Democratic rival, Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, the group avoided including people connected to the Kerry campaign. To gain the maximum impact, organizers said, they also tried not to enlist figures whose anti-administration views are well advertised.

"Our ethos is that we're professionals. We serve the president, whatever party. It's very unlike the vast majority of people in our group to do this," Holmes said. "If you're working for Kerry, we don't really want you in the group. This is supposed to be independent."

Among the signatories are the former ambassadors to the Soviet Union Jack Matlock and Aurthur Hartman. Also voicing support are former CIA Director Adm. Stanfield Turner, former Joint Chiefs Chairman William Crowe Jr., former Air Force chief of staff Gen. Merrill "Tony" McPeak and former Central Command chief Gen. Joseph Hoar.

Others include Phyllis Oakley, former chief of the State Department's intelligence operation, as well as former ambassadors Avis Bohlen and Charles Freeman and one-time UN Ambassador Donald McHenry.

The group calls itself Diplomats and Military Commanders for Change.

The one page statement, which will be released formally Wednesday at a Washington, D.C., news conferance, criticizes the Bush administration for ineffectiveness in its approach to the world. It mentions Iraq and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict -- on which the White House has strongly backed hard-line Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon -- and cites evidence of increasing anti-American attitudes among Muslim youths.

"We've lost a lot of our international partnerships. We've lost a lot of lives. We've lost a lot of money for something that wasn't justified," said Ronald Spiers, former ambassador to Pakistan and Turkey, referring to the Iraq war. "This concept of transplanting democracy is a "fools rush in where angels fear to tread" idea."

Spiers added, "The damage we've done to key and valuable alliances is going to take a long time to fix."

Bill Harrop, the former US ambassador to Israel and Kenya, said he and his co-signers became "extremely disillusioned with the administration." He says the Bush administration exhibits "scorn for multilateral organizations, the United Nations and, to some extent, even NATO." He describes a "sense of unilateralism, the haughty style of international affairs."

"I really am essentially a Republican. I voted for George Bush's father, and I voted for George Bush," Harrop said. "But what we got was not the George Bush we voted for."

"There is a feeling that the administration from the very outset took a righteous, black and white view toward diplomacy," said Harrop, who referred to administration "dissembling" about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and a "complete failure to prepare for the aftermath" of war.

Three State Department workers resigned during the buildup to the Iraq war, saying they could no longer represent official US policy in good conscience. The most senior figure was Mary Wright, a decorated diplomat then as No. 2 US official in Mongolia.

"I have served my country for almost 30 years in some of the most isolated and dangerous parts of the world," Wright wrote to Secretary of State Cilin Powell. "I want to continue to serve America. However, I do not believe in the policies of the administration and cannot defend or implement them."

John Brady Kiesling, a political officer at the US Embassy in Athens wrote in his resignation letter to Powell that the pursuit of war in Iraq was "driving us to squander the international legitimacy that has been America's most potent weapon of both offense and defense since the days of Woodrow Wilson. ... Our current course will bring instability and danger, not security."



Remember guys, you can have your own opinion, but you CANNOT have your own facts.

Homebrew
22 years ago
Thanks Kazama,
Hey Robby, please stay on topic.
Yep these guys, speak the truth.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
Robby
22 years ago
I am on topic, from Rick's post, "
Normally, former diplomats and military commanders avoid making political statements, especially in an election year. But last month 53 former diplomats accused the Bush administration of undermining U.S. credibility in the Middle East by its strong support for Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites)."

It's clear why the Arab world hates us, it's our strong support for the Israelies. I agree with Rick and others, we should abandon Israel NOW! Save America, forsake Israel. Thanks for opening my eyes guys. Here, have my bud lite.
johnfs
22 years ago
Bud lite! Hahahahahahahah!
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