"Where should it start and where should it end? Womb-Tomb? No personal decisions? No personal responsibilites? Banking? Healthcare? Human Resources? Personal Finance?"

Seriously. The government is Santa Claus benders are getting old. (i don't understand this sentence.)

i guess i missed your question re govt's role in the lives of people.

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

simple and straight forward yet subject to the same interpretation as

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to
keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

and

"The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from
office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and
misdemeanors."

where does a BJ fit into these definitions?

and

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against
unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon
probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

violated constantly by ashcroft and never constrained by the congress

and

"nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

law suits still pending re the texas rangers land grab that gave GWB $15,000,000 profit for a token investment and political clout.

i hope this answers your questions

I started to read this and then realized I might as well devote the time to Joyce's Ulysses instead.

or watch kill bill 2.

Rick reading that looks like your trying to re write the constitution all by yourself. Or did ya get some help from the DNC?

Rick, just what do you think the government's role is?

Where should it start and where should it end? Womb-Tomb? No personal decisions? No personal responsibilites? Banking? Healthcare? Human Resources? Personal Finance?

Seriously. The government is Santa Claus benders are getting old.


You STILL didn't answer the question. If I want to read the Constitution, I'll damned well read the WHOLE thing and not cut & paste whatever parts I like to fit whatever situation I can cram them into!

You'll go well out of your way to mention how this should be funded or that shouldn't. How so-so isn't worth a damn, but ya-ya is. What I'm asking for should be on the front of your mind. Only YOU know how YOU believe the US governemnt should work. I'm asking for YOUR opinion and not a hack job. I want to know what basis you form these socialistic notions. I want to know how you believe government should work when the largest communist government to date is repealing the giveaways and lethargic plagues that bound them to "a chicken in every pot"!

Perhaps you CAN'T do it. Is it just easier to bitch and moan?

DMV

I started a thread about the role of government. It's not getting a lot of action. I was hoping to get to the heart of why the folks here feel the way they do about the government. Not a dems vs reps discussion but a discussion of their basic values. Not a discussion about who did what or who will do what but what should our governemnt be doing. and why?

Rick said (referring to DrM's comment): "Seriously. The government is Santa Claus benders are getting old. (i don't understand this sentence.)"


Rick, I believe that the Madd Doktor meant that the Government's Santa Claus- like benders (spending binges) are getting old (predictably tiresome).


I think that I'm becoming fluent in FLebonics.
Someday, I hope to speak "Rickamaven" as well.

blood

That's exactly what's fueling this.

On a seperate thread.."Thank You Mr.President" is the one that got me thinking that there are a lot of people that want "pie in the sky" government and are willing to pay it with tax dollars. Just not THEIR tax dollars. The mere notion of government doing anything for me creeps me out. I don't need a job, a paycheck, an IRA, housing, or any other program where they siphon off of the top to give to "disenfranchised" individuals. I'm more than happy to pay my FAIR share and do. When I have to hear about those "mean old republicans", "neo-cons", "religious whackos" or any other adjective describing anyone other than a liberal I want to know what premise they're basing their role of government on.

The government is Santa Claus benders...

refers to the entitlements or restrictions that Rick believes the US government gives him or causes him discomfort. The "whisper in my ear and tell me what you want" form of government. The benders part stems from the tireless banterings of a delusional individual's constant need to rant about GW with every waking breath!

I find it amusing that almost everyone here that wants to deride the President finds him stupid. Then they'll come up with the absurd notions that GW took the candy away from babies and stole all of their money. Which is it? Is he stupid or is he smart? I haven't met a stupid person that could take money away from me.

i don't think bush is stupid.

i think he's ignorant.

he's admitted this many times, too (which i respect, actually). comments like "i'm a white republican. i don't know what poor people are like, but i'd like to" seem very honest.

he acknowledges that he grew up in a very insulated, protected way with very limited contact (or none at all) with poor people, people of color, gays and lesbians, etc.

and that's fine. it's no fault of his that he was raised in such ignorance. however, for all the "but i'd like to know" he's made little to no effort to CHANGE his ignorance -- and that is something that he can do.

when he's ignorant and KNOWS he's ignorant but then proceeds to make policy that affects people he knows nothing about while believing that he knows best, THAT is what i object to.

What policy?

I almost forgot...As opposed to Kerry's "humble" upbringing? Give me a BREAK!

I am not sure that he's a complete dolt.
He was smart enough to surround himself with shrewd, manipulative minds who have a corporate tilt.

EI

are you saying or implying or even suggesting i have misquoted?

if not, what did you mean by your remark?

DrMaddVibe

why don't you go piss up a rope. you don't want any answers, you just want to rant and rave. i'm not interested in your silly games.

I don't blame you Rick. You've tapdanced around the question until your tired little feet are screaming louder than you about how GW has robbed you!

Too tough to answer? Can't find the cut and paste for it?

Your annotations in between the words of our founding fathers made the post read like it was part of the Constitution and not points of view on the contents.
Either you do not know how to annotate, or your intent was to confuse and mislead persons unfamailar with the constitution. Or perhaps it was the fault of c-bid posting of the content in a way in which it was not written
Just a point of observation
The DNC comment of mine was a playful jab to enhance the point

Rick, You are getting more like Kerry everyday. First I won't respond and then I will respond.

"The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from
office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and
misdemeanors."

where does a BJ fit into these definitions?

Rick,

Actually, while almost never prosecuted, adultery and fellatio are misdemeanors in many states and D.C.. So on this point your point (presumedly on Clinton) doesn't hold up...

dc: good point, and it's one that i hadn't thought of -- but clinton was never charged with the crime of fellatio or adultery. now i'm curious to know if those are on dc statutes. or were -- the so-called "sodomy law" nationwide has been, in effect, stricken down since (that would cover BJ's).