dccrens

son of a gun, i didn't know that.

we need to form a committee and look into some of our other politicians misdemeanors.

osage

did you ever have the feeling you wanted to go?
then you had the feeling you wanted to stay?
wanted to go, wanted to stay. what a dilemma!

see jimmy durante

EI

i trust you were not confused.

No Rick Just amused.

And just in case you didn't know. Clinton was charge and found guilty with lying under oath in a federal investigation.

He was impeached. However he was not removed from office because of the neglect of the Democrat senators to place the law above partisanship. (This by the way is costing Millions to the tax payers every year, in the way of pension, office space, various other perks and secret service protection for him and his family till he dies. All of which he would not be entilted to had he been removed from office for committing a high crime and misdemenor)

Now Rick I hope your not confused

What the President should have been charged with was sexual misconduct and sexual harrassment. And don't give me that crap about her being a consenting adult. She was his subordinate in a work environment. If a senior military officer had committed the same offense with a junior officer or airman He would have been court martialed and force out of the military.


BTW, wasn't Martha Stewart found guilty of lying and nothing else? Guess she should just be excused.

Rick, As I get older I have the urge to want to go all the time! LOL

EI

perhaps he should have done a nixon and resign before being impeached. at least clinton had the cajones to stick it out.

penzt8

may i refer you to the tailhook scandal.

http://d5.dir.scd.yahoo.com/society_and_culture/crime/types_of_crime/sex_crimes/sexual_harassment/sexual_harassment_in_the_military/1991_tailhook_scandal/ 

osage

how much more we have in common then you realized.

may i recommend two tablespoons of psyllium once or twice a day in a tall glass of water.

Here rick let me break that statement down for you

"perhaps he should have done a nixon and resign"
(THE HONORABLE THING TO DO TO SAVE THE DIGNITY OF THE OFFICE)
" before being impeached."
(CAUSING UNTOLD DAMAGE TO THE OFFICE AND WASTING MILLIONS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS IN THE PROCESS)
" at least clinton had the cajones to stick it out."
(HE STUCK OUT MORE THAN HIS CAJONES)

Ric,

First, two wrongs don't make a right.

The tailhook incidents did drive a few senior personnel out of the service and be assured that those that remained in the service didn't see regular promotions. But the Clinton circumstances are totally different. Clinton was having sex with a whitehouse intern in his office. He wasn't just some drunk ass sailor at a convention.

Just to be clear, people at tailhook were punished and some were forced to resign. Secretary of the Navy H. Lawrence Garrett III and CNO Admiral Frank Kelso were both at Tailhook '91. Garrett ultimately resigned and Kelso retired early two years after the convention.

In total, 119 Navy and 21 Marine Corps officers were referred by Pentagon investigators for possible disciplinary actions. The careers of fourteen admirals and almost 300 naval aviators were damaged by Tailhook. Although there was insufficient evidence to warrant court martials about half of those involved received captains mast punishment.

Whereas in the Clinton case there was a little evidence on a blue dress that was quite irrefutable. Ultimately Clinton confessed.

penzt8

"He wasn't just some drunk ass sailor at a convention." are you suggesting his consensual BJ was the same as a "drunk ass sailor" molesting women?

Rick...piss up a rope or answer the question!

No, what I'm saying is there is no comparison between the Clinton affair and tailhook. Tailhook involved a bunch of rowdy drunken sailors and marines acting like complete idiots. It doesn't excuse their actions but I don't find it in the same league as an employer/boss using his position of power to engage in sexual relations (consentual or not) with a subordinate.

I personally don't care if any president has an affair, solicits prostitutes, or has a porn habit. I'm not making a moral judgement. It's improper to have sex with the help. The subordinate will always be in a position where they may submit to sexual advances out of fear or just the awe of the position.

I mean really, if the president of the US or the president of a fortune 500 hundred company each invited 20 low level staff workers into their office (separately of course) and then expressed a desire to have a quick sexual encounter on the presidents desk, what are the odds that one of them would say yes? Does that really make it consensual?


I don't know what happened between Clinton and Lewinsky that led up to their eventual sexual relationship. Lewinsky may not even consider herself a victim or possibly chose not to assume the role of victim because of the stigma that goes with it. She can state that it was a mutual affair and therefore her public persona is enhanced.

If she says she was coerced or in anyway indicates that she is a victim then she gets put on trial. Her whole background is investigated and she is made out to look like a tramp (ala the Kobe Bryant case). As a presidential mistress, despite the fat jokes, she grabs a certain amount of prestige and power.

That's why people who abuse their power (especially elected officials) should be punished. Clinton, as the person in a position of power should have known the power that he wielded over a young intern and not engaged in sexual activity with her.

Oh yeah, sorry for the thread jack.

BTW,

DMV are you evacuating? Looks like a big one coming your way. Be safe.

DrMaddVibe

i'll get the rope.

BLOOD

"I am not sure that he's a complete dolt. He was smart enough to surround himself with shrewd, manipulative minds who have a corporate tilt."

it is my belief the he was picked as a good front man and not the other way around.