Cavallo
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22 years ago
no, i'm still not jumping in on the politics threads, but i read this today -- an article from a friend and respected economist in indiana (a very republican state, btw, though ashton's an economist, not a politician). in it he pares down the dem's economic plan. thought i'd toss it out there for informative reasons:

Democrats' Economic Plan

By Ashton Veramallay
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Democratic presidential candidate John F. Kerry has outlined an economic plan for the United States.

It would cost at least $1 trillion over 10 years, which would be funded from rolling back President Bush's tax cuts to the wealthy, cost savings, and economic growth. It has Clintonian overtones and is designed to make America stronger at home and respected abroad.

In the Kerry and Edwards book, "Our Plan for America," they stress that the great American middle class is being squeezed by declining incomes and the staggering costs that families are facing in education, health care, and energy.

The average American family is earning less than in 2000. Real median income for the nation remained unchanged between 2000 and 2003 for all types of family and nonfamily households. About 36 million people were below the poverty thresholds in 2003. One family goes bankrupt every 19 seconds, a one-third increase since 2000.

The opportunity to build a better future starts with a good job. More than 75 percent of the new jobs being created today are in low-wage industries, paying $9,000 or less. The Kerry strategy is to jump start the growth of high-paying jobs. It will reduce taxes for businesses that create jobs here in the United States, while eliminating tax incentives to move jobs overseas.

Specifically, the plan would:


Close the foreign tax deferral loophole that encourages companies to send jobs overseas.

Cut tax rates for 99 percent of taxpaying U.S. businesses by using the savings from ending deferral and offshore tax havens to cut corporate tax rates by 5 percent.

Jump start job creation with a New Jobs Tax Credit that will give manufacturers, other businesses affected by outsourcing and small businesses a break on federal payroll taxes for every new job created in America.

Eliminate capital gains for start-up investments in small business.
The plan will also catalyze the creation of new private investment corporations to give small and medium-sized manufacturers access to capital for expansion and job creation along with high-technology manufacturing "clusters" around research institutions.

The plan hopes to create 10 million new jobs in an environment of free markets, honest competition, entrepreneurial spirit and hard work.

In addition to jobs, the plan will restore fiscal discipline by cutting the budget deficit in half within four years. Specifically, it will:


Repeal President Bush's tax cuts benefiting those earning over $200,000 a year while expanding middle-class tax cuts.

Bring back "pay-as-you-go" budget rules that require Congress to come up with offsets to pay for new spending or tax cut initiatives.

Bring back tough caps on domestic discretionary spending, reinforced by mandatory across-the-board cuts so that total discretionary spending, outside of security and education, grows no faster than inflation.
The plan will lower taxes for 98 percent of families.In the 1990s, fiscal discipline created confidence in the economy, encouraged investment and job creation, and led to a record expansion. Following that tradition the plan not only aims at strengthening families in the middle class but also helps families to join the middle class. Toward this end, it will raise the minimum wage to $7 an hour by 2007 so that a family of four with a full-time worker would no longer be forced to raise their children in poverty. It will also strengthen the Earned Income Tax Credit and invest in lifelong learning so that workers of all skill levels can access education and training to move up.

The plan will also expand access to college and make it more affordable. This means a college opportunity tax cut for middle-class families and a new bargain with states provided they will keep tuition increases in line with inflation for the next two years.

The plan calls for affordable health care for all Americans. About 45 million Americans have no health insurance at all, and more than 80 million Americans went without health care coverage at some point in the last two years. The uninsured are more likely to file bankruptcy because of mounting health care bills, less likely to get regular check ups and less likely to detect a disease in its early, most treatable forms.

The plan gives all Americans access to the same quality health care offered to Congress. This is a good coverage at a reasonable cost with plenty of choices among private plans. The plan also aims to keep down spiraling health costs, including prescription drugs for seniors, quality care throughout Medicare in every part of the country, and medical malpractice insurance.

Finally, the plan calls for energy independence. It will end America's dangerous dependence on Mideast oil which is controlled by some of the world's most repressive regimes. This dependence poses a real threat to our national security, our economy, and our environment and inhibits our ability to provide moral leadership in the world.

Ashton Veramallay is professor of economics and director of the Center for Economic Education at Indiana University East.
DrMaddVibe
22 years ago
I smell a flip about to happen!

LMAO!

Ask not what you can do for your country, but what you've done for her!
usahog
22 years ago
Rolling Back.. LMAO!!!! thats the same as Stick it to'em... Stick it to'em Good!!!!

hell it's only 1 trillion in 10 yrs... your kids don't have to eat.. isn't that just the niftiest Idea in this centery?? Golly Gee Jimbob... go get yer sister!!!!

Hog
Charlie
22 years ago
I would love to see and hear John f Kerry articulate this plan to an audience as he would change about 50% of it without blinking and eye and then forget that he even said it before! This guy is a joke and any plan he has will be "flipped" several times....yada yada yada

Charlie
CWFoster
22 years ago
most of it sounds good, but the fly in the ointment is the increase in the minimum wage. notice a correlation between the price of a hamburger and the minimum wage, when the wage was 3.65, you could buy two large fast food burgers for that much, now that the minimum wage has gone up, what's two whoppers cost? By raising the floor, you raise everything that sets on it. The overall effect is simply inflationary. By doing that one thing to buy votes from the poor, they ensure that they will stay poor. What kind of logic is that? Some of these ideas are pretty good otherwise.
Charlie
22 years ago
That is called Democrat logic, as they always want lots of poor people to pander to and make them think they are caring for them, when in fact, they are just screwing em and keeping them poor!

Charlie
CWFoster
22 years ago

If you solve the problems that lie at the root of the major issues, you will soon have no issues! That's why Gore was able to run on a "Strong Education" Platform, after eight years of Clinton/Gore Administration!
grond
22 years ago
Minimum wage is a tremendous issue for small businesses and not because we pay minimum wage. Here's the deal. I pay my driver (flower delivery) $6.50/hr (rural community). I pay a Design trainee $7.50/hr. Designer $8.50/hr... Sr. Designer $9.50... Master Designer $10.50-$12.50.

Now, raise the minimum wage to $6.50/hr. I have to raise my scale. My driver deserves more than minimum wage so she goes to say $7.00 and the scale goes up through the employees... not by the $.50/hr but by the percentage of increase. In my shop that increase of 7.7% equals an across the payroll increase of $11,561. Add to that an additional $300 - $400 in unemployment. Now add an additional $884 for employer FICA. Now, understand that my suppliers, wholesalers and freight firms will also have to respond so my raw material and supply cost increases as well. Just taking into account my salary cost increase of $12,795... and considering that I net (in real dollars) approximately $45,000 from my business... your talking about me taking a 28.4% decrease in earnings. Now multiply this scenario across America and you'll find that all you're really doing is causing inflation. We are a capitalistic society where the marketplace dictates (or should dictate wages). Wage earning is a function of skill, education, training, etc. We provide training for the driver to become a Master Designer. Her or his own initiative is left to do the rest.

Cavallo, if your guy wins, I guess I won't have money to buy cigars anymore.

Cheers,

grond

bassdude
22 years ago
very good grond. You can not help the minimum wage earner without giving the small business owner a shot to the kidneys. While Kerry was here he told one group he'd raise min wage and then later in the day he told the small business owner how he would help them. I'd like to see Blood's take on this.
usahog
22 years ago
Well Put grond... now if would only sink in.. LMAO!!!!

I'm going to quit calling them lefty's, liberals or any other trademarked emblems... from now on their sputniks...

Hog
grond
22 years ago
What I'd like is for someone who is a firm believer in rasing the minimum wage to post and refute what I've posted. I live and breath this stuff day in and day out. It is interesting to hear people's viewpoints whose wages are dependent on the wage provider. I just happen to be one of those wage providers and... our perspective is slightly different.

Cheers,

grond
Cavallo
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22 years ago
grond: i wouldn't worry about it. a min wage hike takes a hellova lot of work to get passed; just because it's part of a plan doesn't mean that it will get enough support to pass.

but if the economy improves, you have more people buying your product, and your profit goes up and up and up. hell, even folks earning min wage can buy your stuff now -- that's good, no? 😉

btw, though, if you get so broke from it that you can't buy cigars, i'll be glad to send some to you. 🙂

i just wonder if any of you middle class folks noticed that there are tax breaks for YOU in there that bush isn't offering up?

if you're in the top 2% of monied people in this country (and i don't see donald trump here), your tax break will be gone -- if not your taxes will be LESS. i don't know why mid-class folks don't find that encouraging.
Cavallo
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22 years ago
grond: one more thing -- is your small business exempt from min wage laws?
grond
22 years ago
Cavallo,

Yes, I am exempt from minimum wage laws but that doesn't lessen the impact that raising the minimum will have on my business. I hire from the same labor pool as the minimum wage businesses.

I have also seen mucho benefits from the Bush Tax Cuts. Don't quite understand where Kerry is getting his "Bush raises taxes on the working middle class" facts and figures but they have no reality in the dollars I pay (or don't pay) to the U. S. Government.
usahog
22 years ago
Thats just it.. Kerry and Company are slinging **** on the Wall and hoping it will stick and bring them on top come november... download and read his "Our_Plan_For_America off his website... 246 pages of BS....

the problem is there are allot of people riding with the additude ABB.. Anybody But Bush... my sister being one of them...

How sad this country is becoming...

Hog
MACS
22 years ago
I hate posting on political issues, but I thought it necessary.

People who make lots of money, pay lots of taxes, therefore should receive bigger tax breaks.

If I make $2 million a year and pay $40k in taxes and I get a $3k tax break... then you make $1 million a year and pay $20k a year in taxes and get a $1.5k tax break, how the hell is that not FAIR?

Pay more taxes, get a bigger break. Simple math folks. I would have to consider myself part of the middle class and I don't pay all that much in taxes... Thanks to Bush.
JonR
22 years ago

"Kerry's Econ Plan" = Oxymoron.

LOL

JonR
grond
22 years ago
The fact of the matter is that the upper/lower and lower middle classes pay little to no taxes anyway. How do you give someone a tax break who pays no taxes? Well... the Democrats call it tax relief when, in fact, they are talking about a tax rebate. That, in a nut shell, is simply another social program which "gives" money that wasn't earned back to the people who didn't earn it. Now that is an oxymoron.

Sylance
22 years ago
This is my favorite quote from this thread:

“grond: i wouldn't worry about it. a min wage hike takes a hellova lot of work to get passed; just because it's part of a plan doesn't mean that it will get enough support to pass.”

That’s just beautiful!! I feel better voting for Kerry now that he has a plan that will never get passed. This is just like so much of Kerry, promises that will not get implemented because it’s too difficult or were just said at the moment to get votes.
penzt8
22 years ago
"Toward this end, it will raise the minimum wage to $7 an hour by 2007 so that a family of four with a full-time worker would no longer be forced to raise their children in poverty."

First, why are these people procreating when they don't have the means to care for their children in the first place. They are creating this problem, not me. If people had a little self control and sense of responsibility they wouldn't be in this situation.

What makes you think that a guy making $7 or even $10 an hour can afford to raise a family of 4? They'll still be sucking taxpayer money in the form of food stamps or some other subsidized benefit such as housing or tax credits.

I'll kick in a little extra next year if the government starts scheduling male and female sterilization programs to those who are receiving welfare checks and food stamps.





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