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22 years ago
By BOB HERBERT

More than 80 percent of the population of Detroit is black. This is very well understood by John Pappageorge, who is white and a Republican state legislator in Michigan. "If we do not suppress the Detroit vote," said Mr. Pappageorge, "we're going to have a tough time in this election."

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Oops! Republicans aren't supposed to actually say they want to suppress black votes. That's so retro. It's so Jim Crow. This is the 21st century, and the thing now is to do the dastardly deed, but never ever acknowledge it.

That's where our friend Pappageorge went wrong.

After his startling quote was published several weeks ago in The Detroit Free Press, Mr. Pappageorge, who is 73, apologized and said he certainly never meant to suggest that anything racist or illegal take place. But he reiterated to me in a phone conversation last Friday that he did indeed mean that the vote in Detroit needed to be kept down.

A lot of other Republicans have similar views about the vote in areas with large African-American populations. Most blacks vote Democratic. If those votes can be suppressed, Republicans benefit. And there is increasing evidence that a big effort to suppress the vote among blacks and some other heavily Democratic voting groups is under way, which is why it is important to keep the following phone number handy:

1-866-OUR VOTE.

That's a hot line set up by the Election Protection Coalition, a group that was formed to identify and stamp out attempts to disenfranchise voters, especially in predominantly black and Latino precincts around the country.

On Election Day in November, the coalition expects to have as many as 25,000 volunteers, including 5,000 lawyers, available to provide assistance to voters who encounter irregularities or feel they are not being treated fairly at the polls. Voters who call the hot line will immediately be put in touch with volunteers in their local area.

The coalition is also urging people to call the hot line now if they are aware of efforts to discourage or prevent people from voting.

Among the groups included in the Election Protection Coalition are the People for the American Way Foundation, the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, the League of Women Voters, the N.A.A.C.P., the American Civil Liberties Union and the Advancement Project, a civil rights advocacy group in Washington.

The attempt to prevent blacks from voting has been a staple of America's political history, like long-winded speeches and balloons. I wrote three columns last month about a situation in Orlando, Fla., in which armed state police officers went into the homes of elderly black voters to question them as part of a so-called criminal investigation involving absentee ballots. This tactic sent a definite chill through voters who were old enough to remember the torment inflicted on Southern blacks who tried to vote in the 1950's and 60's.

A new study by the People for the American Way Foundation and the N.A.A.C.P. describes many recent examples of voter harassment and intimidation - the latest entries in the long and sordid history of disenfranchisement in the U.S. The study, called "The Long Shadow of Jim Crow," noted:

"Voter intimidation and suppression efforts have not been limited to a single party, but have in fact shifted over time as voting allegiances have shifted. In recent decades, African-American voters have largely been loyal to the Democratic Party, resulting in the prevalence of Republican efforts to suppress minority turnout."

In Texas, students at the predominantly black Prairie View A&M University were threatened with arrest by the local district attorney, a Republican, who suggested they were not eligible to vote in the county in which the school was located. This was nonsense. Students can vote in their college towns if they designate the campus as their home address. The whole point, of course, was intimidation. The threat of arrest is an excellent way of deterring someone from voting.

There are endless stories of attempts to discourage blacks from voting. Few get substantial publicity, so this is not seen as a big national problem. It deserves a brighter spotlight. When duly registered blacks are improperly challenged at the polls, or Florida tries to use a patently discriminatory voter felons list, or black votes are criminally tampered with or simply not counted at all - something should be done.

The number to call is 1-866-OUR VOTE.
grond
22 years ago
The last voter suppression I witnessed was Al Gore seeking to prevent serving armed forces personnel form having their vote counted, in which he was successful. This was the biggest mistake the Dems made in the last election because the military people will not make the same mistake again. Their votes will be in on time this election and guess who most of them are voting for.....

Cheers,

grond
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22 years ago
Grond, oh man. Please don't go to the 2000 election. That whole thing was an ugly mess for all americans and I'd rather try to work on a better 2004 election where everyone's vote counts and no one feels intimidated to mark their ballot. I think that we can all agree on that.
RICKAMAVEN
22 years ago
grond

WRONG!!
RICKAMAVEN
22 years ago
as i was saying before the post message jumped up, military votes dated after the election date were counted to insure a heavy republican vote for quasimoto, who, if you don't recall, was elected as the first king of fools.

sorry thom for interrupting
grond
22 years ago
Right and Wrong,

From the ruling made by Judge Lacey Collier:
"In a victory for Republican George W. Bush, a U.S. district judge yesterday ordered all Florida counties to reexamine discarded military absentee ballots and to count them in final vote totals if they were properly signed and dated..."

...Collier also rejected a Bush campaign request to declare more than 600 overseas ballots -- most from military personnel -- valid because they were undated.

"Because Florida accepts overseas absentee ballots beyond election day, it must provide a way to assess that the vote was timely cast," explained Collier..."

The entire ruling can be read here:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/documents/20001209_xnjdo.pdf 

usahog
22 years ago
Boy almost 2 hrs have past and no response...

Hog
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22 years ago
he must be tending his flock
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22 years ago
You guys expect a response for everything you bring up when you can't give a proper answer to the original post. So, your response to how Republicans are using voter intimidation and supression, going on right now, is to counter by saying Democrats did it back in 2000 to the military??! What kind of a straw man argument is this? Did any of you even read the article? It's about African American voter supression and has nothing to do with the military. Go jack your own thread, with pack mentality.
usahog
22 years ago
what response for this post would you like Thom?

It's a crock of Crap??

Have you ever gone out door to door getting people signed up to vote?? and if so have you ventured to the black neighborhoods to do so?

I have, and the biggest trouble you have is most of them never bother to vote... it is not just the black community though... it is also the younger generation groups also... between 18-24 whites or blacks their not interested in Politics... most of them cannot even tell you who the VP is...

this voter supression BS is drummed up by the Democratic Machine and is a crock of crap...

and it is the Dems who would like to see the Absentee ballots tossed out as was relevent in the 2000 campaign...

Florida Snowbirds Dems..more then half vote both States

Now lets check the voting records for Snowbirds in Arizona and other states these Snowbirds flock to...
the minimal that should be done is restrict their rights to vote PERIOD... there are fines for this also... but will anything be done.. probably not one damn thing...

so what type response are you looking for??

Hog
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22 years ago
he will accept nothing less than total agreement to his way of thinking.
Walk lock step side by side with him at the million man march carrying a rainbow flag and a sign proclaiming the need to save the spotted owl and snail darter.
Then you will garner his approval but not his blessing, because that would show a belief in a supreme being
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22 years ago
Did I mention that I wanted a response? But that is the response I expected. Proof of your narrow mindedness, and not coming straight out and deploring voter supression and intimidation wherever it occurs. Am I to gather, that what you are saying is, that it doesn't matter if their votes are supressed because particular groups don't vote anyway? I suppose that, if what I had posted came from newsmax.com it would have more credence for you? Is everything that is anti-republican untrue?

EI - Same as you?
usahog
22 years ago
No your not to imply that " not coming straight out and deploring voter supression and intimidation wherever it occurs." and "that it doesn't matter if their votes are supressed because particular groups don't vote anyway?"

Thom Your an Idiot... and it shows in all your posts...

I respond to your post as it is written to catch your blather attacts on my accounts on this issue?? Ha..

Hog

btw I got your "narrow mindedness," Swinging ;0)
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22 years ago
Hmmm, you say that I'm an idiot, but you have used "your" incorrectly twice in the same post.

usahog
22 years ago
LMAO... now your turning your own thead into a grammer lesson?? but just got finished b!tching at us for threadjacking... AMAZING!!!! ;0)

Hog
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22 years ago
So, I'm supposed to sit here and let you call me an idiot and not defend myself? While you still can't use common language skills? AMAZING!!!! ;0) LMAO!!!!! at you.

Have seen Mars on the horizon lately? It's truly amazing. 😉
HockeyDad
22 years ago
Here is a response from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement:

http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/alerts/attach/NYTimesOrlando_Detailed.pdf 

RICKAMAVEN
22 years ago
usahog

"this voter supression BS is drummed up by the Democratic Machine and is a crock of crap..."

no it isn't.

RICKAMAVEN
22 years ago
Thom

correcting grammer, spelling, or punctuation is a no no on the boards. it's not fair and it diverts the messages.
usahog
22 years ago
Thom, I obviously get my point across ;0)

Rick, glad to see your posting again... I'm bord with debating with idiots... LMAO!!!!

"no it isn't." where's your logic in this statement?

Hog
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