Cavallo
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21 years ago
just another reason i cannot in good conscience vote for W. so much for making this country safer. take a program that actually works and dry that sucker up! but this is what bush actually does -- and you can see it if you look past the b.s. PR job. bush takes good program, claims to support them (in the limelight), and soon afterwards bleeds them dry and removes their funding. he's done it time after time, program after program.

we're pretty screwed, resource-wise, should terrorists hit us here at home. more and more is being asked of cops, and bush is giving them less and less support.


U.S. Funds Drying Up for Community Cops

By BECKY BOHRER
Associated Press Writer

BILLINGS, Mont. (AP) -- Federal funding for the grant program that has helped hire thousands of community police officers across the country may be drying up. After several years of declining financial support, the Bush administration proposed no funding for that hiring program and others like it for the next fiscal year.

Detective Sgt. Mark Mulcahy hit the streets one recent Saturday, checking on convicted sex offenders in Kalispell. It's a duty he believes makes the northwest Montana community safer, but it probably would not exist if a federal program hadn't helped put another cop on the street to free up Mulcahy.

"In the past, we didn't have the opportunity to do this," Mulcahy said in a telephone interview. "It's such a large job, it kind of requires at least one person designated to it."

Administration officials say the Clinton-era effort met its goal of helping put more than 100,000 officers on the streets and in schools across the country, and that there were no guarantees for long-term funding levels.

Many in law enforcement see the timing as unfortunate. Departments across the country, even small ones, are being asked to take on more responsibility in the wake of the 2001 terrorist attacks. At the same time many departments - especially those in rural areas, where even one extra officer is a big benefit - are seeing their own local funding tighten. Many say the potential loss of federal hiring dollars removes one of the best tools they've had in recent years.

"When you find something that works, you hate to see it go away, particularly I would think now, when safety has to be a top priority," said Frank Garner, president of the Montana Association of Chiefs of Police.

"We clearly have more police officers in uniform than we would have otherwise," said Garner, who also is the police chief in Kalispell, a town of about 14,000 people in the Flathead Valley, not far from Glacier National Park.

"For the last two years, we've seen police agencies do all they can to meet demands put on them," said Gene Voegtlin, legislative counsel at the Virginia-based International Association of Chiefs of Police.

"The only way you're going to have an effective anti-crime or anti-terror effort is to have people out working with communities," Voegtlin said.

That was the idea behind the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services, or COPS. Since 1995, it has provided nearly $10 billion in grants to state and local law enforcement, including funds for hiring, equipping and training officers, said Gilbert Moore, a spokesman with the office. Montana alone has received about $60 million, which has been used in part by departments to hire about 395 officers, he said.

Hiring funds have been declining since fiscal year 1999, when about $1.2 billion was available for COPS-administered hiring programs, Moore said. In fiscal year 2004, only about $114 million was available, Moore said.

John Nowacki, a Justice Department spokesman, said hiring programs administered through COPS have met the goal of funding the hiring of 100,000 officers.

"The mission for funding is completed," he said.

Under the Universal Hiring Program under COPS, the government picked up as much as 75 percent of entry-level salaries and benefits for new hires over three years; the maximum contribution over that period is $75,000 per officer. Those hired were expected to be in addition to any officers that would have been hired using local dollars, and departments had to keep officers on at least one budget cycle after the grant expired.

Some communities, such as Bismarck, N.D., have been able to use the grant program to permanently expand their police force as intended. Police Chief Deborah Ness said all 11 positions added with COPS money since 1997 have been retained, and the City Commission had time to plan for absorbing their salaries.

In Cheyenne, Wyo., Police Chief Robert Fecht said four officers added with COPS funds have helped his force, but acknowledges it's still hard work just to maintain the status quo.

In Sundown, Texas, Police Chief Shawn Myatt said he and another officer had to answer calls and cover for each other on days off before COPS funds allowed the tiny community to add a third officer.

"In a small department, one officer is worth his weight in gold," he said. The manpower allowed officers to put on programs on topics such as crime prevention and drugs, for students and parents, he said.

Other cities have been less fortunate. Tiny Miles City, Mont., hired two officers through COPS grants in recent years. Both are still there, but budget cuts prevented the city from filling two other positions. So the COPS program, in the long run, has yet to actually increase the city's police force, said Capt. Kevin Krausz.

In November, voters in Billings, Mont., the state's largest city, will be asked to pass a public safety mill levy that would help maintain or strengthen the police force, Chief Ron Tussing said.

COPS funds have put officers on the streets of the city of 92,000, but grants for five of those officers are expected to expire within the next two years, and the local budget is tight. Some retiring officers already aren't being replaced.

"We've about reached the doing-more-with-less limit. There is a point where people want to see a cop, and they want to see one soon," Tussing said.

Kristen Mahoney, director of grants and government relations for the Baltimore Police Department, said the city saw a reduction in violent crime with the addition of 200 COPS-funded officers playing a huge role.

A loss of dollars could mean communities returning to "baseline services, and that's not where they want their tax dollars. ... They deserve more," she said.

Mahoney called the COPS program "a success story in government."

Bill Johnson, executive director of the National Association of Police Organizations, said any hiring money would help local departments, and he holds out hope that Congress will act.

"I don't think there's any substitute for an officer on the street," he said. "If your home is broken into at 2 in the morning, you want lots of officers in your home. You don't take comfort in a new computer back at the station. What matters is the officer."
RussellKaufmann
21 years ago
Police should be locally funded, not federally funded. It was a mistake to begin with letting it happen.
Cavallo
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21 years ago
is terrorism, then, merely a local problem? police officers are expected to do the work whenever we hit code orange. should we let them all off the hook and say "go back to writing tickets" when bush hits the orange-level alarm buttons? because as it is, when we are at anything above green, police officers pull extra duty, work extra hours, take extra measures -- and cost local communities extra money.
rayder1
21 years ago
I know is sucks...but you have to read one of the COPS grant contracts It specifies the amount of money given and for how long the money will be supplied by the grant by the Federal Government.

Most of the COPS grants have a 5 year window. At that point the recipient department is expected to have the funding to support (on its own) the additional officers. Is was set aside only as a means to help departments get more officers on the street. It paid the training, the salary and the benefit package for a few years and helped out countless departments.

The COPS program predated 9-11 and the war. It'll come back in some form or another. There are dozens of other programs which still have the ability to provide officers or supplement budgets to allow for officers to work in special programs. A good grant writer knows where to find the hidden money.
usahog
21 years ago
"Some communities, such as Bismarck, N.D., have been able to use the grant program to permanently expand their police force as intended. Police Chief Deborah Ness said all 11 positions added with COPS money since 1997 have been retained, and the City Commission had time to plan for absorbing their salaries."

As Rayder points out in his thread.. I recall this program and I know quite a few guy's in the Guard who took jobs under this program... it was a Clinton/Reno thing during his first term in office... and these communities that took the offers were to as Bismark did pick up the salaries for this expanded workforce after 2-3 yrs.. not milk the sytem into extinction...
read the contract of the grant Cav.. before you go blaming Bush... Yes Bush administration is guilty as hell for shuting down many milk run made up government programs Clinton put into action as his job creations during his terms in office... saving the taxpayers Billions!!!!

Hog
JonR
21 years ago
Yo Cav:

When it came to politics you use to be even handed toward both candidates, but now you seem to be turning into Ricks little helper. What with you bashing Our First Lady and now our President. Looks like you went over to the dark side, but we will keep a light on for you.

JonR
bloody spaniard
21 years ago
"Yes Bush administration is guilty as hell for shuting down many milk run made up government programs Clinton put into action as his job creations during his terms in office... saving the taxpayers Billions!!!!"

Yep, Cavallo, I'm not surprised my friend. First, he "saves" us billions by cutting back on correctional officers (prison guards) & now this (among other essential cutbacks).

What a smooth operator- as long as Afghanistan and Iraq are rebuilt...This man has no clue.


Cavallo
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21 years ago
jonr: there are quiiiiiiite enough rah-rah bushies here. just trying to even it out a bit. 😉

blood, bush isn't even putting the money needed into iraq, and afghanistan seems to be totally off his radar screen at this point.

even other republicans in the administration are on bush's butt about not giving funding to iraq -- so far, of the billions "set aside" for iraq, he's given a drop in the bucket (and a big part of the drop has gone to halliburton, of course). same old same old. claim to support something and then withold the $ when it comes down to brass tacks.
usahog
21 years ago
Cav here is a bit of a brief...
http://www.cdi.org/friendlyversion/printversion.cfm?documentID=2446 
I'll locate the allocated spending on Afghanistan for you and others to view... don't post half cocked statements without providing sources to the argument...

Hog
AVB
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21 years ago
Here you go.

"The violence and bureaucratic delays have slowed spending of reconstruction funds. Lugar said only $1.14 billion has been spent as of Sept. 8, almost a year after it had been approved by Congress."

Remember the $87 package we're paying for?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-09-15-congress-iraq-spending_x.htm 
Cavallo
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21 years ago
thanks, avb -- that was the story (or an AP story with the same info) i was referring to. lugar -- a well-respected IN republican -- was the most vocal in calling bush on the funding he's NOT releasing in iraq. we're paying for it, but it ain't going anywhere. it's the excuse for gutting other programs, but it's not going to the iraq effort either.
bloody spaniard
21 years ago
Tony, where in the world is the $$$ going then?!
No one seems to have any!
Maybe, it's a faux economy after all...
THL
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21 years ago
What a bunch of whining gimme-birds. Support your local police locally.
Cavallo
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21 years ago
thl -- i'm a former law enforcement officer. cops are really not that high on the totem pole in a municipality -- at least not when it comes to funding.

when those FEDERAL alarm bells go off, though, it's the LOCAL cops with LOCAL funds that have to respond to those FEDERAL bells. that means taking those LOCAL funds and spreading them even thinner to respond to FEDERAL rules and demands.

now, after 9/11, more than ever local funds are stretched to the max. now more than ever federal funds are critical to enable LOCAL cops to respond to FEDERAL orders to "jump to it."

that's apparently not a concern of GWB's, though, but then again neither is getting funds to iraq either, seeing how it's barely going there either.

where IS it going, blood? hell if i know. i just see where it's NOT going. it's not going to cops, it's not going to the war on terror -- at home or abroad. it's like bush is this big money-sucking entity: money goes in, but it doesn't go back out! maybe bush is saving it all up to hand out generously to the middle class folks who still, for god-only-knows what reason, think W gives a tinker's damn about them?
CanyonDVM
21 years ago
Having read the Constitution very carefully, I don't find the clause that says the federal government can seizue our private assetts, ship them to Washington, pay all the federal employees to administer this program, and then use what little is left to pay for municipal cops. Not only is it unconstitutional, it's extremely inefficient. The closer the money stays to home the more efficiently it will be spent.
CanyonDVM
21 years ago
Where do people think that these federal funds come from? They over tax us, keep most of it in Washington, and we're supposed to be grateful when they give us a little of our own money back?
Cavallo
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21 years ago
canyon, there's a great deal that we do now that's not in the constitution.

it's not in the constitution that a single cop has to come check out your complaint of someone suspicious hanging around the airport fence either, but aren't you glad they do?
RussellKaufmann
21 years ago
Terrorism, like bad drivers, is a problem all over the world.

Do you really believe that the police are somehow involved in anti-terrorism programs as the primary means of combating terrorism? I sure hope they aren't because most of them can't spot crime right in front of them must less identify terrorists.

This country has lots of problems, but I don't see car bombings around here. Am I missing something?
Cavallo
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21 years ago
RK: i'll ignore the cop-bashing comment.

police have always been first in line in one form or another in protection from terrorism.

one example of relatively small and (imo) ridiculous protection: salmun rushdie (remember him?) came to speak at a college in the city where i used to work in law enforcement -- guess who had to provide 24-hr-a-day guards (in teams of 2) to him? yep. the city cops. that was on top of his team of body guards, too, and rushdie did not pay -- the city paid.

the police do a lot more than drive around looking to pee on someone's day.

when it comes to the issue of fighting terrorism in particular, they do a lot more than most folks are aware of -- or at least they have to go through a lot of "show." that means more cops must be on duty than normal, routines are changed -- from how patrol is done to how people enter and exit the police station. more paperwork is generated, and more resources of ALL kinds are used.

basically, when code yellow becomes code orange, municipal police agencies spend a LOT of money. that money comes from the community, but the effort is federally dictated and federally mandated. as ridiculous as some of these efforts may be, joe townie isn't the one saying "i want 2 extra cops on duty around the clock to stand by the doors of the courthouse to make sure terrorists don't come in." -- the federal govt. is.

and especially for all of bush's bragging about how much he has invested in the police in this country *cough cough* he could at LEAST back that up and put the money where his mouth is.
bloody spaniard
21 years ago
^I like some of the points your opposition brings up, but you're hitting 'em outta the park, Mr. Cavallo!
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