tailgater
24 years ago
NYC has unveiled a memorial for the 9-11 tragedy. It is a Statue depicting the firefighters in the photograph raising the American Stars and Stripes. With one "minor" change: Two of the three Firefighters have facial features consistent with males of Hispanic and African decent, respectively. Voila! Instant Racial Diversity! Won't Jesse be proud!
RICKAMAVEN
24 years ago
and your point is? aren't there hispanic and black fireman? one of the men that raised the flag at iwo was a native american and his features were on the statue
Charlie
24 years ago
I don't want to get into a racial thing here, but all of the firemen who raised that flag were WHITE (or is that Politically Incorrect, whoops take the flag down and find some ethnic diversity to raise it) and that is a fact! Too bad that they have to be PC when it comes to a monument for the disaster! Rick, are you talking about an American Indian when you say Native American? Just joking, I know what you meant! Charlie
Todog
24 years ago
It wouldn't surprise me if Jesse or Al Sharpton had something to do with it!
jjohnson28
24 years ago
If this is true and they are using the photo or that scene in general as a model.I think it's truly sad what the PC crowd will do to cheapen,yes cheapen anything and everything this great country stands for.Joe could you possibly post your source?Thanks,Jim
RICKAMAVEN
24 years ago
i think the whole point of this is idiotic. maybe the
the planners discussed this with the fireman and that was their decision. maybe the point was to represent the fire dept and it's diversity. do any of you know the racial mix of the men that died? i am going to contact the city of ny and find out. the hell with sharpton and jesse. i doubt that they have any input that anyone would listen to. if i find out i am wrong, i will print this thread and eat it. i may have ideas that many disagree with, but me politicly correct? not likely.
"Voila! Instant Racial Diversity! Won't Jesse be proud"
"It wouldn't surprise me if Jesse or Al Sharpton had something to do with it"
for this board, these two quotes are politicly correct.
Todog
24 years ago
Was that a compliment?
RICKAMAVEN
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24 years ago
I general memorial should be representative should include all involved, however, a memorial depicting a specific, historical event involving specific, identifiable people should be accurate, not comfortable.
delarob
24 years ago
Roman statues.
Charlie
24 years ago
I am sick and tired of Political Correctness! This monument should depict the three firemen who raised the flag, and I believe they were all white! Charlie
tailgater
24 years ago
Source: Hannity and Colmes on Fox News. A discussion with views from BOTH sides. The NYC Fire Department is comprised of less than 3% black and just over 3% Hispanic. Rick, my "Point" is this: I am not offended at a memorial depicting any and all ethnic backgrounds, but if we are so shallow as to REQUIRE diversity even where it didn't occur, then we should also include Asians, and Women, and perhaps we could also put some reference to homosexuality in the mix as well. And as for the department 'approving' the statue, apparently a small percentage of firefighters walked out of the unveiling ceremony. A bit extreme if you ask me, but that's the facts. Oh, and what would have happened if the three men who raised the flag were indeed Black, and the statue depicted a white guy?
RICKAMAVEN
24 years ago
tailgater: i retract all my remarks about the statue. you are correct.
Charlie
24 years ago
I may be wrong, but I will bet the NYC Police Department has about the same percentages of white officers to hispanic and black officers! Charlie
Teninx
24 years ago
This memorial is a tribute to all firefighters, not only the three individuals who raised the flag. That photo of those three is now a part of our history and will be remembered as one of the great images of the 21st century. I'd be upset if someone tried to alter the original picture and use it as a tribute. I'm not upset that a recreation of that picture is altered.
tailgater
24 years ago
It isn't the statue itself that is upsetting. It is the fact that somebody felt it needed to be done. If you are that insecure with your morals and ethical values when it comes to fairness, then I can't help you.
bud451
24 years ago
IMHO, the world would be a much better place if people were truthfull instead of being PC. I also think that being PC is an insult to any race, it's making racism thrive.

Charlie
24 years ago
I agree with Bud and could not have made the statement any better! F--k Political Correctness! Charlie
Teninx
24 years ago
I don't solicit or require your help to understand the issues. I am, however, interested your and others' points of view because the older I get, the more I find that I don't have a handle on absolute truth.

RICKAMAVEN
24 years ago
Teninx: i'm not sure this site can handle anyone with a modicum of common sense. i believe we are all nuts.
the nice thing about messsage boards, unlike conversation, is that each gets to finish his thought without being interrupted. absolute truth? there is none. mathematics is the closest to it. try reading flatland, you will enjoy it.
http://www.geom.umn.edu/~banchoff/Flatland/ 
of course, anyone else is welcome to induldge.
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