usahog
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Monday, January 31, 2005 7:18:00 AM
"Comment [to FDA] on the anthrax vaccine"

Please forward to your military colleagues. Deadline is March 29, 2005.

Army Times:

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-622691.php 

Navy Times:

http://www.navytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-622691.php 

Air Force Times:

http://www.airforcetimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-622691.php 

Marine Corps Times:

http://www.navytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-622691.php 

Anyone who has Family Members in the Military or Military themselves needs to follow-up on this one...

If anyone has any questions or concerns email me @ usahog(at)hotmail(dot)com

I'd be happy to assist you...

Hog

Da Chief
Monday, January 31, 2005 7:31:00 AM
I already have 5 out of the 6. hahahah

Let me finish the series...that tick should stop! hahah

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Monday, January 31, 2005 9:08:00 AM
R-6, question for you... what if #6 would be the one to take you out of the Game??

Would you still want to play Russian Roulet?

I'm sorry Bro.. this one isn't a laughing matter... it's something that needs to be seriously addressed by everyone who has the right to speak their peace!!!!

after 3 vaccines from this I fell victim myself, I didn't know for several years why my body was doing the things it was doing?? and it took allot of doctors to figure it out... at which time it finally ended my military career as it has done to 1000's of others... and like the threads on here about the VA and other programs for the veterans... the Military is trying to cover this all up!!!! I was given an Honorable Discharge(they couldn't give me nothing less) and my paperwork was shoved through all on protests... But I was in the cold and still am as far as getting any assistance from the Military for medical purposes as are 1000's of others they boot them out at first sign their ailments are linked to the Anthrax Vaccines or suspected there of...then the long process of red tape begins... in the meantime the life and family you knew before is turned upside down...

Ask this Airforce Capt. Top Gun F-15 Pilot... or his Family!!!!

http://www.hspig.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2162 

Good Luck to you on your 6th shot and your Military Career!!! God Bless and Thank You Also!!!

Hog

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Monday, January 31, 2005 9:10:00 AM
MACS
Monday, January 31, 2005 11:52:00 AM
I've had all 6 and a booster. I think i'll be okay.

Relax Russ, I ain't laughing... merely saying that the vaccine hasn't affected me negatively.

I'm gonna start calling you Dale Gribble.

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Monday, January 31, 2005 12:00:00 PM
Macs, I don't know no Dale Gribble??? LOL

I know the vaccine doesn't effect all in all ways... but when there is a 3 in 10 people situation it's something to take note on and question highly...

Especially if you were one of those 3 in 10??

and I am relaxed... you should have seen me a yr ago!!! LOL

Hog

MACS
Monday, January 31, 2005 12:08:00 PM
Dale Gribble is the guy on "King of the Hill" that is a "Government conspiracy theorist". He thinks the government is out to get him...
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Monday, January 31, 2005 12:19:00 PM
Oh you mean like Rickamaven?? LMAO!!!!

Nope I don't think my Government was out to get me... and I'd go back to work for them in a heartbeat...

But I do think these Expermental Vaccines on the troops were wrong in the first place and now there is in fact a major cover-up for them... I experienced the cover-up first hand... as has many 1000's of others in this one...

Hog

MACS
Monday, January 31, 2005 12:23:00 PM
Russ... anthrax was NOT experimental. They've been using it for years.
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Monday, January 31, 2005 12:44:00 PM
LOL @ Macs...

no they used a certian strain of the Vaccine for years.. up until the change in it in the late 80's... then it became expermental... this is what was/is given to the troops...

http://www.vaccine-a.com/forum.html 

http://www.hspig.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1864 

6 un-named military personel successfully sued the DOD and Rumsfield in September with a ruling from a Federal Judge that the Anthrax Vaccine is an expermental vaccine and that our troops will not be used as Guinea Pigs...

Macs, I'm not going to turn this into an Arguement on the forum... but I will say you as myself at one time was misinformed!!!!

I like 100's of others are suffering from the Misinformation and you are not... still doesn't mean it's safe and I'm just spreading the word on the FACTS about the Cr@p....

Hog

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Monday, January 31, 2005 1:29:00 PM
Correction that Lawsuit against the DOD took place in October 2004,

On October 27, 2004, the Honorable Emmet Sullivan of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia vacated an Order issued by the Food & Drug Administration and imposed a permanent injunction prohibiting the Department of Defense from administering the anthrax vaccine without informed consent or a presidential waiver. This second injunction followed Judge Sullivan's earlier decision of December 22, 2003, that the anthrax vaccine was investigational and unlicensed for its intended purpose to protect against inhalation exposure.

Thus the FDA and DOD wanting to get a final ruling for a change in the Vaccine... IE the original posted thread above...

they have as of today January 31, 2005 tried to slip around the issue and order it in Emergency Use:

http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/eua013105.pdf 

http://www.fda.gov/OHRMS/DOCKETS/98fr/DHHS-oc0523-n000001.pdf 

The Departing Tommy Thompson tossed this out on the Table on his way out the door!!!!

They cannot make any money off the stocks if they cannot use the Vaccines ;0)

Hog

Mrs. Usahog
Monday, January 31, 2005 3:31:00 PM
R6_80922 & MACS(SW),

This is NOT a laughing matter. It is not to be taken lightly. There was no need for either of you to jump in with your stupid remarks about this subject. I am glad that neither one of you have had to sit and watch the health of someone you care for deteriorate because of OUR STUPID GOVERNMENT and THEIR GREEDY FINGERS!! This was only posted to help someone that didn't know where or how to get help. Go to your Commanding Officer with a vaccine problem and find out just helpful they will be. Unfortunately, there are thousands that have done this and was discharged or worse for speaking up. This effects not only the military member, but also the family of this member.

Mrs. Usahog

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Monday, January 31, 2005 5:35:00 PM
Another good link to view some of the Military Members reactions across the country...

http://www.avip2001.net/TroopExperiences.htm 

Hog

MACS
Monday, January 31, 2005 6:04:00 PM
I've been chastised by Mrs. Hog!!!

Ahem, my apologies ma'am. Wasn't trying to be stupid, just giving MY view as a military member.

Now back to your regularly scheduled program...

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Wednesday, February 2, 2005 6:27:00 AM
Pentagon Boosts Plan For Anthrax Inoculations

Emergency Provisions Invoked to Revive Use

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55554-2005Feb1.html?sub=new 

If you cannot view (Free subscription required) let me know and I will send the article Via email

Hog

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Wednesday, February 2, 2005 8:14:00 PM
http://www.milvacs.org/ 

Ruling in a lawsuit by six members of the armed forces, Sullivan suspended anthrax vaccinations in late October after he found fault in the FDA's process for approving the drug.

The government, however, acknowledged that "931" people were "mistakenly vaccinated" after Sullivan ordered the halt on Oct. 27, including about 150 in January. The Defense Department "recognizes and takes seriously its obligations to cease all inoculations and is redoubling its efforts" to comply with the court order, said the Justice Department filing.

Defense officials have insisted the vaccine is safe and noted the judge has not disagreed. The lawsuit argued the vaccine was experimental and that it was being improperly used for inhalation anthrax as well as exposure to the bacteria through the skin.

The Pentagon sought emergency authority under the Project BioShield Act of 2004, which says the Health and Human Services Department, in response to a terrorist attack or other emergency, can allow the use of drugs that have not finished the FDA process, officials said.

Tommy Thompson signed the emergency use declaration late last month, shortly before stepping down as HHS secretary, said HHS spokesman Bill Pierce.

The FDA told the Pentagon vaccinations could resume, with one important condition: Military personnel can refuse a shot without fear of punishment.

Since 1998, 1.2 million troops have been vaccinated against anthrax. Before they were stopped, hundreds of service members had been punished or discharged for refusing them, according to the Pentagon.

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Friday, February 4, 2005 10:35:00 AM
Drugs Better Than Vaccine for Anthrax

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=41062 

Anthrax differs from most bacteria in that they exist in an inactive (dormant) state called spores. The spores are found in soil, animal carcasses and feces (including sheep, goats, cattle, bison, horses, and deer), and animal products (e.g., hides and wool). Some animals (cats, dogs, rats, and swine) are very resistant to anthrax. Remarkably, anthrax spores can remain dormant in soil for many years, perhaps decades. Likened somewhat to eggs that have the ability to hatch, spores can transform (germinate) into active bacteria under appropriate conditions. The spores themselves do not cause any significant damage to tissue. However, they can lead to disease by 1) entering broken skin, cutaneous anthrax; 2) being inhaled, inhalation anthrax; or 3) being eaten, gastrointestinal anthrax. Once in the body, the spores germinate to form the virulent (disease-causing) bacteria.

How easy is it to get an anthrax infection?

Not very easy! Since only the spores can spread (transmit) the disease, and anthrax does not form spores in living tissues, the disease is not transmitted from person to person. That is to say, anthrax is not contagious. The most common way people get infected with anthrax is by working with animal carcasses or hides that contain spores. These people usually contract cutaneous anthrax.

Inhalation anthrax is exceedingly rare. This is because, as previously mentioned, the spores have to travel all the way to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. Thus, the spores must be small (less than 5 microns) and able to get past many protective barriers (such as mucus, body chemicals, and microscopic hairs) in the mouth, nose, throat, and air passages. What's more, the spores must overcome obstacles presented by the body's immune (defense) system. So, it is estimated that many thousands of spores (perhaps 10-20,000) are needed to establish an infection in humans.

All things considered, most forms of anthrax bacteria are probably not that dangerous. Sadly, however, some governments are spending millions of dollars to try to develop more deadly anthrax bacteria for use as biologic weapons. Hopefully, these sinister efforts will be overshadowed by more rapid progress in the development of better vaccines and antitoxins.

Note: the Anthrax Vaccine that the DOD is using on todays Military Members (and Stockpiling for Civilian Population)has "NOT" been proven effective on Inhilation Anthrax, Yet they are still using it as a remody to the solution and at the same time Maiming our Troops i the process....

Hog