This is to replace my retraction thread as it will be deleted due to the link I posted. Please see what the other site said below...please note that most of this happened on the other site but it affects everyone...

I need to submit a retraction on my apology...I was lying...moreover I was lying to myself. I thought in some bizarre way I wasn't lying...but I was. I was going to sell the cigars that you guys gifted to me...I know...I'm an idiot, a jerk, a stupid moron..etc... and I understand that you will all hate me forever...but I couldn't live with this on my heart. I know that my God will forgive me for lying...but I don't expect it from you guys...even though I wish you would...at least someday.

I guess my financial situation got so bad that I felt that selling my possessions was the only way out...which included the cigars that you guys so graciously gave me.

I feel like I am going to throw up at this point...

I do want you to know (even though I don't expect you to believe me) that I never intentionally fished for cigars from others. No matter how bad it looked...maybe I did want pitty...but never expected anything in return. Nothing I ever said was meant to be a scam or anything like that. If people offered I would accept, but I truthfully never expected anything. I have always enjoyed the bombing and so on that you all enjoy...I just got to the above point and didn't think I could turn back.

I won't be selling the cigars now...I feel too bad about the whole thing...so I will smoke them and try to remember the good times when I hadn't lost my mind.

I will be forever greatful to you guys and will always love all of you. You guys deserve better than me.

As I am sure nobody will want me around, I won't post anymore...at least until everyone forgives me (which mean I probably won't post forever). If you feel it necessary, you are welcome to ban me from the site.

If anyone wants to talk to me about any of this, they can either PM me if they don't ban me for life, or email me at [email protected]

I hope everyone has a GREAT thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years!


Goodbye.

Lassie come home, come home Lassie......


Hey at least you confessed and was totally honest about it. Bravo........

Since Potts is not here to help us out

apology accepted

I want to thank anyone and everyone who accepts my apology...it means a lot to me...and through this and on the other board I am starting to see what real friendship is about. i will grow from this (considering I am only 27) and will come away a stronger person. For now I will stay away from the bombing threads (wisdom from a wise man) and not post anymore crap.

Vankie, wise move. So, so many get sucked into the bombing and each one , sadly enough tries outdoing the other and thinks it has to be nothing but the best & high super premiums, let those TURKEYS play and enjoy live.


Happy Thanksgiving !!!


" Bless your little honest heart " !


Ram

Sir? Does this mean Ann-Margaret's not coming?

ummm, ok...

Ouch. Had to hurt to type that OP.

Never delt with ya bro, but I've run into hard times myself before. It humbling what things a desperate person can do when you realize it was you.

Having never delt with ya I don't have any business forgiving you. But, I have more respect for you after reading your post.

^^^Thanks!

You have my respect for manning up and my acceptance of your apology.

I used to frequent several boards years ago (lunatics, mbcl, village idiots). I lost my job and dropped off the radar for five years. I sold all my cigars and just about every thing I had of value. When I got whole again, and caught up, I found I missed the camaraderie (and the bombing).
You need to do what you gotta do, but your post tells me that you got heart and guts and you'll be back.

And, I bomb because I can and because I enjoy it......so, gobble, gobble.

wish you the best, tough post....

Hard one to read but had to be harder to write. Never dealt with you, but I can still accept an apology. Take care and God bless.

Apology accepted as far as I'm concerned anyway. The douchebaggery of selling gifted sticks is confirmed, but at the same time I think that most of us recognize that when times are tough, something's gotta give. Though of course selling sticks that you purchased yourself or traded for should come well before something that was given to you. Again, though, in desperate times you've got to do what you've got to do--provided you're not begging sticks just for the purpose of turning around to sell them straight away.

From my point of view, taking care of your family comes first. Down the line when you're back on your feet, etc., you can make it up to people.

Wow - I missed this. That's tough stuff to post, Vankie - takes more spine than many have. My estimation of your character is much higher than it previously was!

Njstone - "The douchebaggery of selling gifted sticks is confirmed." I think it depends on the situation. If you're deliberately soliciting gifts with the intent to re-sell them, or if you accept a gift knowing that you intend to sell it, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree!

However, I've never been offended by the thought of someone re-gifting or, if they're in a situation where they need to sell their collection, selling sticks I had gifted them. I see it like this: if I send lluvia a cigar bomb, everything in the package now belongs to HER, and is hers to do with as she sees fit. Maybe she'll light it up and enjoy it herself...maybe she doesn't care for something I sent, but wants to give a gift to a friend who WOULD enjoy that stick....maybe her finances require her to sell her cigars, including what I've gifted her.....whatever the case, my gift has benefited her in some way, and that was really the point in the first place.

Queen, what a classy answer to an individuals obvious tough post regarding the tough spot he is in. I am very new to these posts but I can tell that many of you here are class acts. This is the beauty of the Human cond.

Vankie best of luck w/your financial issues and I hope you and your enjoy Thanksgiving.

VankieC7

I am going to hold any thoughts or judgements for or against you until I see how you handle your future.

While you are trying to straighten this out, disappearing is not the answer. I suggest you right any wrongs you have made with your friends here and at the CM.

Also, if you continue down this path I will be glad to help you out by sticking my foot in your ass.

I'm sure I wasn't involved in this but if I gift/Bomb someone cigars I don't mind anything they do with them.
In fact if I know someone is hurting for $$ right now knowing they sold the smokes would make me feel like I helped them out in some way.
We call ourselves "Brothers/Sisters" of the leaf.
To Me that means sometimes helping in ANY way we can.

RE #14

True, once you gift a cigar, it's that recipients to do with as they please, even if it was given under false pretences. But that's really only part of the issue here. Repeated ardent untruthful denials that these were not gifted cigars and associated dodgy behavior and actions to avoid the fact that they were gifted cigars WAS the true issue.

Anyone can fall on hard times and have to do things that they don't want to, but that is not a justification for the afforementioned behavior and one would hope that the people who were friends enough to gift the cigars in the first place at least deserve the decency of a truthfull explanation. Let's face it, they're just material posessions they come and go like the wind, is honesty and friendship so fleeting that it's worth less than the sale of a few Opus X's and Padrons?

As I see it, that's what really chapped a few britches.

My $.02.

He got himself into this position. I'm not going to congratulate him or give him praise for apologizing. Apologize, move on, do whatever, but quit being a gd martyr/crybaby.

Almost everything you've posted since you;ve been back here the last week or so turns to "I wish I could but I cant because of blah blah blah". Shut up and deal with it. If you want or need help, ask for it, but quit coming here and whining all of the damn time.

I just opened the Secret Santa thread and look... It's Vankie whining about not being able to participate.

Look, we get it. You are broke. So are Millions of others. Deal with it and quit trying to play the sympathy card.

And as for lying and insinuating you were trying to buy gifts for your family and not your wife (which most would automatically assume you were buying for your kids), that is bull****. I have no respect for that. I'll be damned if you will get anything from me whether you suck it up and start acting like a man or not. That just pisses me off.

copy and paste from the other thread ...

I don’t want to dip my nose where it doesn’t belong but I’m going to have to agree with you here.

And what pains me is that people are thanking him, applauding him, and commending him for his honesty?

Seriously? The only reason he admitted to it was to try and save face after being busted. That is NOT honesty. Honesty is being honest from the start. You can’t ever be honest after starting off on a lie.

This is none of my business so I’ll step out now.