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Wednesday, February 16, 2005 3:07:00 PM
Rimadyl Being Blamed In Some Dogs'deaths.

Rimadyl may be one of the most popular prescription drugs ever for dogs. If you have a dog, there is a chance your pet could be taking it some day. But some dog owners claim the side effects of Rimadyl can be deadly.

Jezebel is a happy, healthy dog today. But Janice Nollar says her black lab was nearly killed by the very medicine meant to keep her alive.

"She trusted us and we thought we were doing the right thing for her," Nollar said.

Nollar said the culprit for her dog's health problems was Rimadyl.

Millions of dogs with arthritis and other painful conditions take the drug with excellent results. But a small percentage of dog owners say the effects can be devastating.

"She was vomiting, really lethargic, wouldn't get out of bed, wouldn't eat anything," Nollar said.

Nollar suspected a bad drug reaction.

"I was just surfing the Internet. I found the side effects and I was floored," Nollar said.

Jezebel lingered near death for eight days.

"I gave the veterinarian side effects and he looked into it and called Pfizer and came to the conclusion that the medication probably was causing her liver to stop functioning," Nollar said.

Nollar is one of hundreds of pet owners who joined a class action suit claiming Rimadyl killed or harmed their pets.

The case settled out of court last year. But the company does not admit Rimadyl as the cause of illness or death.

Questions about Rimadyl were being raised at least a year before the civil suit was filed in 1999.

The Food and Drug Administration says the drug was behind 39 percent of all adverse drug reactions reported for dogs in 1998.

More than 3,600 cases were reported, and according to the FDA, 13 percent involved the death of the dog.

There is no doubt that the drug will continue to be prescribed. There is also no doubt that it will continue to help certain animals and that certain animals will continue to die from taking it.

Pfizer has said it is doing "everything possible to educate consumers"

Proponents, like veterinary surgeon Alan Schulman, say Rimadyl is keeping many dogs alive and is well worth the risk.

"The benefits, if used intelligently, really far outweigh the potential disadvantages if the animals are monitored and diagnosed appropriately," Schulman said.

But those who say they have experienced the other side of Rimadyl remain unconvinced.

"They keep seeing this in dogs and yet it's still out there for sale. Personally, I think it should be pulled," Nollar said.

Pfizer said that dogs should be tested for pre-existing liver conditions before taking Rimadyl and they should be taken off the drug immediately if side effects such as vomiting or loss of appetite occur. If you suspect your dog is having a bad reaction, call your veterinarian.

JonR

briguy151
Wednesday, February 16, 2005 5:07:00 PM
I for 1 had a dog that was on Rimadyl for over a year. It made her comfortable and helped her arthritis. She was had biyearly blood tests that monitored the liver functions. Sadly she had to be put down and it had no relation to Rimadyl. My wife's family's current dog is on Rimadyl and again it is working. She also has the blood tests and is watched.

When prescribed for what it should be used for such cases as arthritis and such you are talkin an older dog that without the medication would not be able to walk. And in turn put down.

My opinion is that if the dog has proper liver function and the medicine gives them a chance at a better life its well worth it. Better than watching them suffer.

usahog
Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:13:00 PM
there ain't no way I'd put my dog on something that is being banned simular for human use such as the COX-2 Inhibitors which was/is killing people with heart and liver and other vital organs stop functioning... IE: Vioxx, Celebrex, and any related for Arthritis or anti inflamitory joint/muscle pains... I'm sure if one looke closely this Rimadyl is probably related in that net of drugs....

go with Herbs for pets also!!!!!

Hog

usahog
Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:21:00 PM
Try this. The wife and I have been on the B-12 vitamin they sell for a couple of months and it is a great product.

http://www.trivita.com/products.asp?prodid=885 

Hog

briguy151
Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:41:00 AM
hog,

You are exactly correct on that. Rimadyl is exactly like vioxx and celebrex. The only reason those drugs are a problem was

1. Over prescribed and pushed by physicians

2. Not monitored the correct way.

Ya ever wonder why the issues with rimadyl is not as wide spread as vioxx and celebrex? Simple, Monitoring.

Guess what Rimadyl was out way before Vioxx. I worked as a vetrinary assistant and it is amazing how the medicines that are new to humans are used on dogs and cats first for a few years. My dog that passed away was on rimadyl about 6 years ago. And I am sure it was out before she was on it. hmmmmmmm

But ya know everyone has an opinion and I dont disagree with your thoughts on herbal supplements. But dont it scare ya that the herbal stuff is not monitored at all. When it all comes down to it the less medicine or herbal remedies ya take the safer you are. Except ya know Vitamins 🙂 I love b-12 beats caffine hands down. but dont over do it. Fat soluble vitamins can be deadly if abused. But so can alcohol, nicotine, and even chocolate. Moderation is key. 🙂

usahog
Thursday, February 17, 2005 5:30:00 AM
Briguy, I was put on Vioxx for about 8 months along with 9 other meds... this was about a year and a half ago.. I couldn't hardly function and my symptoms seemed to be worse then getting better...yea the meds helped ease the pain but the side effects were not good for myself nor the family... I was a walking medicine cabinet and all my doctors kept telling me know you need this or that one for this.. yadda yadda yadda... finally the wife and I got on the internet into medscape and a few other sites and looked these meds up... yep they were for these different diagnosis prescribed by these doctors.. but some of them were countering what one or two of the others were?? go figure so we talked to someone in the know... a pharmasist and a counsler and a few other folks in the field... we started finding herbal medications that do the same thing only no side effects and the rest is history... although insurance doesn't cover these vitamins and herbs... we don't have to worry about co-pays for something that was hindering more then helping either...

this day and age people have to pay more attention to what their doctors are throwing at them to take...

and with the FDA and CDC taking handouts from the pharmaceutical companys... things are getting thinner and thinner... and then we have the Bush Administration wanting to stop frivolous lawsuits... that shouldn't happen as long as these doctors and big rackets like FDA and CDC are on the take!!!!

Hog

briguy151
Thursday, February 17, 2005 5:47:00 AM
I agree with ya 100% about Vioxx. I was on it for 1 day when I took myself off and went to motrin for relief. My heart felt like it was gonna explode.

Can ya hit me with the herbs that ya used to replace vioxx. Would like to look into it further.

briguy151 at gmail dot com

usahog
Thursday, February 17, 2005 5:58:00 AM
email heading your way...

Hog

briguy151
Thursday, February 17, 2005 6:15:00 AM
no email yet 😞
Da Chief
Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:12:00 AM
I took Vioxx for 28 months. I am still here. But did notice some of the symptoms. Got off it and feel fine.

Da Chief

usahog
Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:48:00 AM
Chief.. if you don't mind me askin... what the hell did you need vioxx for??

and your doctors didn't give you a two part cocktail did they?? vioxx/Skelaxin

usahog(at)hotmail(dot)com

Hog

usahog
Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:24:00 AM
FDA Panel Mulls Whether All COX-2 Drugs Have Same Risk

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29551-2005Feb16.html?referrer=email 

since it's subscription web based I'll post the article.

By Marc Kaufman

Washington Post Staff Writer

Thursday, February 17, 2005; Page A03

The makers of the arthritis drug Vioxx, which was taken off the market last year, said yesterday that they believe all medications in its class carry the same increased risks for heart attack and stroke as their drug.

At the opening of an unusual three-day meeting of a Food and Drug Administration expert advisory panel, Merck & Co. officials said all COX-2 inhibitors, such Vioxx and Pfizer Inc.'s Celebrex and Bextra, appear to increase cardiovascular problems in some patients.

The company's statement speaks to the central question at the meeting -- whether there is a dangerous "class effect" for all COX-2 drugs, and, if so, what the agency should do. Sales of the drugs, hailed in the late 1990s as a breakthrough in treating arthritis pain and aggressively advertised to patients, could be restricted or stopped as a result of the meeting.

Before an overflow crowd in Gaithersburg, Pfizer officials disputed Merck's contention -- saying that there is reason to believe its COX-2 drugs may be different than Vioxx and that any possible increased cardiovascular risk would be very small.

That position, however, was roundly criticized by many members of the expert panel, and Chairman Alastair J. Wood said key aspects of the Pfizer presentation "don't pass the laugh test." Several panel members accused the company of ignoring a recent study, published in the New England Journal of Medicine, that showed significant heart and stroke problems in patients taking Celebrex. Celebrex and Bextra are still being sold.

The day began with a statement by Steven Galson, acting director of the FDA's Center for Drug Evaluation and Research, that the agency would act on the panel recommendations, expected tomorrow, within several weeks. The FDA usually is guided by its advisory panels.

Galson emphasized that the panel should weigh not only the possible safety risk of COX-2 drugs, but also the benefits that the drugs provide to arthritis patients who have gastrointestinal problems caused by other painkillers.

Lourdes Villalba, the FDA medical officer who supervised Merck's application for approval to market Vioxx, defended her agency's much-criticized handling of the once-popular drug and its safety risks. Outlining years of frustrating work trying to assess the potential dangers of COX-2 drugs, she said her goal "is to show that we were not sleeping behind the wheel; we were actually engaged in reviewing a lot of data."

Some of the day's strongest testimony came from Garret A. FitzGerald of the University of Pennsylvania. He told the committee that just as low-dose aspirin is known to protect the heart while raising the risk of stomach and intestinal problems, COX-2 inhibitors "afford gastrointestinal protection and a small but absolute risk of cardiovascular events."

FitzGerald, who has been aggressive in arguing that all COX-2 inhibitors can cause heart problems and stroke, also said that different patients respond very differently to the drugs, and that their use has to be tailored to the person. That point was later emphasized by a National Cancer Institute researcher who said COX-2 drugs show promise for treating colorectal cancer.

One theme that developed was that the harmful effects of COX-2 drugs seem to appear after months of use, while the clinical tests conducted to gain approval for the drugs were much shorter. There was also considerable discussion of the relative risks posed by older arthritis painkillers, such as ibuprofen, naproxen and aspirin. Merck officials, as well as panel members, said it is possible that those drugs cause problems such as those linked to COX-2 drugs.

Nonetheless, Wood, of Vanderbilt University Medical Center, seemed to speak for many on the panel when he said he was concerned that COX-2 drugs were initially approved because they provided a safety benefit, reducing gastrointestinal problems for longtime users, not because they were better painkillers. "I find it worrisome when a drug that is approved to produce a safety benefit results in increased mortality," he said.

David J. Graham, an FDA safety officer and whistle-blower, is scheduled to testify this morning about cardiovascular risks detected in epidemiological studies of COX-2 and traditional painkillers. Graham, who has accused agency leaders of trying to silence him and other critics of FDA safety policies in the past, has said his full testimony is again being restricted.

Da Chief
Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:07:00 AM
I have degenerative disk disease in my C5 and C6. Which causes pain in the right side of my neck. They gave me that for pain and inflamation. They took me off of it and gave me feldene in its place. Good stuff works a whole lot better than vioxx ever did.
usahog
Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:15:00 AM
yea I can understand that... they had me on the two part above vioxx/skelaxin and although it helped for the time being... about 8 months.. I had allot of other side effects from the two...one was swelling and weight gain

Hog

Da Chief
Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:17:00 AM
Same here. But have since lost it since I have been off and it is out of my system.
dapperdan
Saturday, February 19, 2005 2:22:00 AM
Aspirin and Glucosomine are great over the counter drugs. Rimadyl is expensive at 1 cent per milligram per day per pound of dog, for a large dog it adds up. But I have seen dogs live a better quality of life in there last years.I have also seen dogs on steroids live more comfortable lives also and I think that is what it is about. Our dogs our like part of our family and just like us we need to weigh the benefits to the side affects of drugs.

I have had back surgery myself and have lived with chronic pain for many years. It's just part of life and getting old.