I just touched a Rocky Patel 1990 vintage with my moist hands and looked at them and they where brownish so i whipped them off on a towel. Is it normal for companys to dye there wrappers because im feeling like im getting ripped off and Im a big fan of Rocky because hes from my local area. Is it normal???

 

ok so i cant post a photo damn

lmao . . .I dunno about wrappers but I unraveled a Fusion once that I couldn't get to burn and found it to be short filler. Not mixed - SHORT

Naturally fermented tobacco can be splotchy and uneven in coloration, so some cigar makers choose, for cosmetic reasons, to slightly touch up some of their wrappers to make them all look more even and identical, while others use a heavy dose to make them appear darker. Some might do both, some might do neither.

The dye is made from the tobacco plant stalks so aside from the annoyance, it's nothing to worry about.

PS: Not the first time I've seen this complaint with RP's recently. Someone misted down the wrapper on an either an OWR or Decade (I forget which) w/ distilled water and his hands looked like he had rubbed them in brown shoe polish.

I'll try not to forget to wipe my mouth after smoking a maduro now. 😮

"I just touched a Rocky Patel 1990 vintage with my moist hands...".

So, what...nervous? Excited? Been keeping them somewhere you can't mention in polite company? Why not just stop doing that?

LOL the moisture was from my coktail. and i understand what your saying now about dying them so they all match. Just a little disappointed Rocky's cigars are the only ones ive noticed it on. I guess ill just have to smoke nothing but Anejos lmao 🙂

#7, yeah but where they wet before or after he whipped them off on a towel?


Sounds like someone is having a lonely night

Cornfluffer can't figure out how to post photos, and his towel
looks like he sharted on it.

i ran out of toilet paper what can i say 🙂

Either stop touching yourself or quit smoking cigars.


(clearly a case of do as I say, not as I do)

All cigar tobacco goes through a curing and fermentation process, but it takes more time and higher temperatures to make a leaf as dark as those used to wrap maduros. After being cured in a barn and turning brown, maduro wrappers are put into bulks to ferment. The weight of the tobacco, plus the moisture in the leaf, causes a chemical change. Impurities, namely ammonia, come off the leaves and heat is produced, turning starches to sugars. When the heat at the center of a bulk reaches the maximum allowed by the tobacco man, the bulk is taken apart, which lowers the temperature. Then it is rebuilt, and the process starts anew.

"Normally you turn the bulk at 115 degrees. Broadleaf, you can have it at 120-plus," says Eiroa. "Broadleaf takes forever."

Ernesto Perez-Carrillo, who makes maduro versions of his La Gloria Cubanas and El Rico Habanos, is still fermenting Connecticut broadleaf from the 1999 crop. He plans to use it this year. Connecticut shade, by comparison, can be ready in one year.

Some folks have been known to take a shortcut. "We've never been believers in the painted black maduros," says Eiroa. He describes one fast method of making a maduro known as the cooking method, which is done using a setup reminiscent of a stove-top espresso coffeemaker. "Picture one of those coffeemakers with the coffee in the bottom," he says. "Steam comes up into this one pot with the tobacco inside. The vapor leaks in and adds color to the tobacco. Another method is dipping the tobacco in dye—food coloring or whatever—or you put dye on a sponge."

Rushed methods, such as the ones Eiroa describes deliver maduros with unnatural colors, the darkest blacks and the eggplant purples. Eiroa shuns them, preferring the old-fashioned way. "We like the raw flavor of tobacco," he says. "We're very proud of our farms and what they produce."

The maduro cigars that are painted have drawn the contempt of savvier consumers. "Of course," writes PRCCaption on the cigaraficionado forums, "maduros are only good as long as they weren't painted that color."

Thankfully, the process of painting and rushing maduros to market was far more prevalent during the cigar boom than it is now. Most of today's maduros are the product of a great deal of patience and know-how on the part of the cigarmakers and tobacco growers responsible for the product. If you sit down tonight and light up a maduro cigar, there's a good chance that its outer leaf was planted in the ground many years ago.

CA

dyed tobacco = cheating.
I don't care what reason behind it or how safe it is. It is deception.

Speaking of questionable Rocky wrappers........whattathehell did he do to those Fumas???

Holy freekin saltsickle dyejob batman.

I came across this article, so I thought to share. This is only a segment describing two methods of creating Maduro wrapper in non-natural way. A natural way is through fermentation at high temperature and for long period of time. A non-natural way is a fast way of creating the same color, but the flavor is not the same.

"The first is "cooking," which more accurately described is actually steaming. In this process, the leaves are placed within a steam chamber for a period of 60-120 minutes and steamed at 180+ degrees Fahrenheit. The result is a very dark wrapper that is very consistent in color. Some hold in contempt this method, but actually this is the method that is most commonly used to create the wrappers used on most of the milder Maduro cigars. Although this is a much simpler and shorter process, the maker has to be vigilant, as it is possible to overcook the leaf resulting in a dull, flat-tasting wrapper with a silvery, gray appearance. The other alternative method is dying the leaves the desired dark brown color. This is done in a variety of ways - from sluices, vats, to even a machine that is snidely referred to as the "Madu-O-Matic" by those in the trade. This machine can "create" Maduro wrappers at a blazing pace and, typically, makers will add sugar to the molasses-like dye to sweeten the flavor of the leaf. This process is considered "cheating" by many in the industry, and is held in low regard by many traditional tobacco men. As a consumer, it is easy to detect whether your Maduro cigar is a faux, because most dyed Maduro cigars will actually leave a slight brown stain right on lip of the smoker."

Those methods explain to me the discrepancy in taste from one cigar to another. I like maduro, but often I smoke a maduro cigar that has no flavor whatever, and other times I come across a maduro that is full of flavor.

yuck. I like maduro, generally. but either of these processes bums me out.

I guess sorta like watching sausage get made.

"dyed tobacco = cheating.
I don’t care what reason behind it or how safe it is. It is deception."

I agree 100% and to hell with Rocky if he is pulling this stunt. And these words do not come lightly as it was RP 1992 that brought me into the world of cigars. His tobacco is supposed to be 7 years old (or whatever he claims) but my guess is he uses the Espresso maker and maybe a very tiny amount of aged tobacco in the filler.

Hell, these guys can claim anything they want to about their cigars. I get upset thinking about spending hard earned money on a falsely advertised cigar only to take the time ( or in my case plan a week in advance) to have a bad experience. Imagine ink on your hands.

Un-real. Lets start a thread naming cigars that are painted.

^ If enough people boycott those brands who create fake maduro, they will abandon that process.

take my advice, u want to abandon the RP Fumas first!