Is that where the ego name comes in? It's a defensive football thingy, not a band thingy?

I can handle bitchy...I just don't like it from a nice guy like you...

E-Chick, He's a packer-wacker so he's not used to a fine woman like yourself!

This bitchy thread is fairly entertaining to read..LOL

Thanks E-Chick, I like you too... ;0)

I apologize to everyone in this thread, sorry I started all this.

Besides, if Todog hangs out near Eagle River, he must be alright.

Now this baseball thing.......

We're backing you up Todog! Keep up the good fight!

E - whoever said I was nice?

Todog let me put it to you like this. If the Packers suck as you say why can't a team as "great" as the Bears beat them? Every time you say the Pack sucks means you are putting your own team down twice as much. Think about that before your next post.

Plaboner, Ducati996 and I were having a pleasant debate about the tremendous rivalry between the Chicago Bears and Green Bay Packers. The debate was basically civil until you showed up like a typical packer-wacker gritting your one tooth! I stand by my beliefs that the Bears ar superior to the Pack and always will be! A true fan of any one team would understand this. Hell even if you grind your two brain cells long enough, you might understand since you an obvious, loyal fan of the green and gold. The won-loss records of our respective teams this year even if reversed should never have any bearing on a true fans loyalty. I respect the fact that you are loyal to your team so I would expect the same from you even if we still hate our opposing teams! In conclusion, The Pack still suck and always will suck!

Thanks Ducati for the nice words and I hope that all understand that every thread that I have posted was never personal and all in fun. I think that you and X and most everyone here understand loyalty to a team whether they are good or bad. It's not about Wisconsin or Illinois ...it's about the Bears and Packers which is the oldest rivalry in the NFL. The Packers have some great players that I wish were Chicago Bears but I still hate the Packers. Back in the 80's and early 90's when the Bears were superior to the Pack, I would hope that you and all Pack fans still stuck with your team and hated the Bears. That the way it's supposed to be and the way I feel today. I will always hate the Pack but respect a packer-wacker's loyalty!

Well todog, seeing as how you are posting on a public board I figure I have every right to but in. If that upsets you a) don't post on a public board or b) don't reply to my post.

Next I have no problem with you likeing the Bears. I like the Bears more then I like the Vikings. Loyalty to your team is great. My issue was that instead of saying what makes the Bears great and why you like them all your posts were about how much the Pakceres sucked. Being as the Packers are my choice of teams to route for I felt obligated to defend them. Why you might ask? No I don't get any money from them and are not affiliated with them. I just like a good debate. Which is what I thought we were having. A good clean fun debate. After all your original post says "Let me have it, Packer-Wacker, as I can take it as well as dish it out".

Obviously you can't do either. So I will now end this "what I thought was a friendly" debate as I don't want to cause any hard feelings and meant no ill will in the first place. I'll have to go find one of E-chicks posts and play Bitchy Devils Advocate with her for awhile. Until then see my post on Ducati's thread and let me know if you are interested.

Another way to look at it: Lambeau Field is the greatest sports venue anywhere! Soldier Field has produced some memorable contests as well. No doubt It will be vastly improved next year, How can any yeam play well based in a place named Champaign? Damn frenchy frou-frou name. At least the Bears play on grass and in the weather. The Vikings play in a dome. How bad does that suck? The grass outdoor teams will always be better conditioned and more adaptable. Yes, I have been in a dome. Domes are for the faint of heart. So There!

Plabonte, You must be constipated from eating all of that packer-wacker cheese!LOL My posts, as I have clearly tried to convey, were all in fun and not personal. If I crossed the line and insulted you or any other cheese-head, I apologize! I do not apologize though, for being a true and loyal Chicago Bears fan and a true and loyal Packer hater! Even if the Pack win the Super Bowl this year, I will still hate them. That is what a pure-bread Chicago Bear fan is supposed to do! I am not at all insulted or upset at your comments as it is obvious that you are true and loyal to your team. This Bear-Packer rivalry is old news for me because I have two brother-in-laws who are avid fans of the green and gold. This debate is never-ending in our family and obviously will never end here at c-bid! That is why this this rivalry between the Bears and the Pack is the oldest and greatest in the NFL and maybe in all of sports! Take care and lighten up on the cheese!!! Da Coach

Plabonte and any other cheese-heads,On a side note, I will admit that Packer fans are much nicer and civilized than Bear fans! I went to the game up in Lambeau last year and could not have met a bunch of nicer people. Sure, people ragged on us but it was all in fun! I also tailgated and attended the Bears-Pack game at Soldier Field last year and witnessed some pretty uncivilized behavior on the part of Chicago fans toward Pack fans which was embarrasing. Maybe it was the big city mentality but there was no excuse for it!

I do believe we here in Green Bay try to go out of our way to make fans of the opposing team feel welcome. During the NFC Championship game against the Carolina Pathers, we had a "coat drive" for the Carolina fans that didn't think they had to bring a jacket to Wisconsin....in January. It was 12 degrees at kickoff.

When we(ten of us) went to the game last year, some of us stayed in a hotel a few blocks from Lambeau while my brother and his friends stayed in an older run down motel with a restaurant and bar. We met up at the motel with the bar and restaurant the night before the game for all you can eat prime rib night and to have a few beers and cigars before the big game. We had the best time. The owner and bartender at first was a liitle worried when he saw all of us Bear fans coming into his place but by 5am the next morning, we made some new friends and the Bear-Packer rivalry didn't matter! Of course, our wonderful hangover at the game was made that much worse with the Bears losing the Game. Best time I have had in a long time! I would hve traded my fancy hotel for the neighborhood motel in a heartbeat!

We truely are glad yo enjoyed your stay. Wisconsin really does have a false reputation for being "backwoods". We try to make up for it in hospitality. But I do miss the big city, I used to live in Milwaukee. I know it is certainly not Chicago, but I still miss it once in awhile. I used to live in the woods, now I am in the cornfield. I guess I have been around...lol.

I'm actually kind of mad because my band was supposed to play one of the Green Bay bars on November 30th which was the Saturday night before the Packer/Bear game. But our agent in his infinite wisdom cancelled the show and booked us in a different city. With smarts like that he MUST be from Ill-inois.

Ducati, what part of WI are you in? I live in West Bend which is about 1/2 hour N of Milwaukee.

You guys are gonna hug aren't you. Ugh, football fans a sooooo sensitive..

I live 5 miles south of DePere, just 1 mile west of Hwy 41. Mr. Mean must be a Pro Wrestling fan.