Pro-Life, Pro-Choice. If you are in one camp or the other you are not going to change your mind, but what about this.....

A woman gets raped. She goes to the hospital. Do any of your Pro-Life guys/gals have a problem with them getting the Morning After Abortion pill?

Or do you still consider that ending the life of an innocent?

I'm interested in your thoughts.

Pro-Choice . . .

Are you calling me out again 8?

whatever a person wants to do with their body is between him/her and god

Can I borrow a kettle?

And a hive of bees?

Mattie,

I've never called you out, but I know you are a Pro-Life guy.

What do you think?

it seems to me a catholic would be against it, as it is a form of birth control....whereas a protestant would not be against it, as it is basically The PILL, retroactively speaking.

so, i think the camps will split that way.

Burg,

IF that would be the case, would that mean that Catholics would have the baby and Protestants would abort it?

What I think or what you think is not important. This should be a closed discussion between the father and the mother only and ultimately decided solely by the mother- since she’s the sole bearer of the baby.

By using such words as “father”, “mother”, “baby”, it should be obvious that I’m pro life and I believe the overwhelming vast majority of the people, including all mothers, are pro life too. Even as a male I can imagine for a mother to choose abortion it must be the hardest thing she’ll do!

Therefore for her to make such a choice, she must have some truly compelling reason(s), such as she was raped, the biological father abandoned her, the biological father happens to be a close relative, her body’s not healthy enough to carry the baby to term, or having the baby will cause extreme financial hardship, etc.

If we were to outlaw all abortions, in my judgment it will create more social and moral problems than it solve. Even in the simple case of financial hardship, presumably with government social programs it can alleviate most of the problem. But the problem is our government is already in huge debt, and all those social programs funding come directly from you and me, and I don’t know about you but I’m already paying enough tax and I certainly don’t wanna pay extra for other men to spread his DNA.

And in a more complicated scenario, God forbid but hypothetically let’s say a South Dakota governor’s daughter was raped and she got pregnant. She doesn’t want to have to the baby because she doesn’t love her rapist, the rapist is an unemployed loser and therefore unable to financially support her and the baby, and most importantly the governor’s daughter herself is a minor and not ready to have children of her own.

I’m sure some politician’s logic is that oh my wife, my daughters, my mom, my sister and whoever I care for will never be a victim of sex crime. And that fifteen year old boys just cannot get fourteen year old girls pregnant. And that incest never happened in the country. And that all men are responsible as soon as they learn that the woman is pregnant. And that all States will allow polygamy if a husband got a mistress pregnant. And that all taxpayers are equally willing and capable to pay additional tax...

Well in that case, I can see no reason why any woman will ever have to think about the nightmare of having an abortion. And we should therefore stop wasting time on this topic.

I am sick and tired of Congress and Supreme Court wasting time debating issue that are frankly none of their business, instead of solving real problems like ballooning national debt, outrageous trade deficit, decreasing real wages... and general inaccessibility of high quality Cuban tobacco in the United States.

'..What I think or what you think is not important. This should be a closed discussion between the father and the mother only and ultimately decided solely by the mother- since she’s the sole bearer of the baby..'

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So, in the case of a rape, you want the woman and a rapist to have a discussion about whether the child should be born?

I'm not sure that conversation is going to happen.

8trackdisco you're right, the discussion will be and should be skipped in this case and that's why I wrote "ultimately decided solely by the mother".

I know you were not calling me out 8track. And yes you are right to figure that I'm Pro Life. The funny thing is, we have never spoken of this topic. I appreciate the fact that you like to hear my perspective.

I truely hate this discussion. You said it best by saying people are not going to change their minds. Regardless, here are my thoughts.

I believe, because of my Faith, abortion is wrong. Any way you argue the point you are taking a life. Abortion is a voluntary act of murder.

Now here is where it gets tough for me, personally. In your scenario 8, I don't know what is right. I would have a hard time telling that woman she had to carry an unwanted baby for 9 months, go through labor, and then look at the child. I can't imagine what that would do to somebody or their family.

I've seen Pro Life advocates say that it is ok to abort under circumstances like this. I guess I fall in line with this thinking. I then feel as though I'm contradicting myself.

Personally, this issue may have more gray (not just black and white) in it than any other. I'm really torn on this one. I try to approach controversial topics with an open mind. But I almost feel as though I don't know what I might do unless I was in that situation.

I can say...I believe we will all stand before God and answer for our decisions.

I know this is not the answer you thought you would get from me. I hope it is not to wishy-washy.

Well said mattie B.

Not at all Mattie. I think its a very honest answer.

I tend to agree with you. I'm the worst person in the world to talk about the issue. Believe it or not, I'm not on either side of the issue.

But the rape thing is one that is easy for me. Abort it, end of story. The timeline is the issue. I THINK I understand the debate, the timeline is the issue.

Whether its a day or 8 months and 30 days, (in my world) one procedure is legal, one should be illegal.

Somebody a lot smarter than me has to figure out the timeline.

Thank you Mattie. I appreciate your perspective.

8

Guys I think basically we are all on the same side. I can see that we all agreed that killing an unborn baby is wrong even if it’s just a 1 day old fetus, but at the same time, there’re situations where the mother will be presented with no acceptable alternative but to make the unimaginable choice of aborting her own offspring.

I don’t like this topic because I think everyday there’re women out there faced with such cruel (both to her and the baby) choice because of someone else’s action. The passage of any anti-abortion laws would not alleviate tiniest amount of their pain. The only thing such laws and the resulting debates will do is further polarizing our nation. I condemn the politicians of both parties for making abortion a political issue and to build their political platform.

Thanks fellas.

And it is not even my birthday. How did I get so lucky?

Two kind post, from a couple of well respected BOTL. I appreciate that. You guys rock...

and a nice little package coming your way Mattie B 🙂

Ahhh, you are a good man R wu. Your end will be rolling Monday.

Oh man... I am in favor of abortion.

I never wanted that little monster Bart... don't get me started on the boy!

But then I think of little Lisa... oh and Maggie too.

Did you know her first words were dah-dah?