mk05
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Sunday, December 5, 2010 3:03:46 PM
I thought darker (blacker) ash meant more magnesium or other nutrients. Smoking a Hoyo, and this ash is literally black. Thoughts?
hombre
Sunday, December 5, 2010 3:11:33 PM
I prefer a white ash. Not sure what the color means but you can't beat a nice tight white ash.
jimbud
Sunday, December 5, 2010 3:14:56 PM
Thought I remembered a thread on this. Check this out MK:

http://www.cigarbid.com/Forum/cb_postst376261_Ash-question.aspx 

Thunder.Gerbil
Sunday, December 5, 2010 3:23:12 PM
According to Carlos Fuente Jr and a few other manufactures in publicized interviews, it's the other way around. High magnesium = white ash. Fuente was the one who made a big deal out of "white ash = better cigar" back in the early days so he could pump up the hype on the Opus X's. Can't recall if I've seen interviews with other growers/manufacturers who state an opposite position to Fuente - they might, I just don't recall or not.

I've been smoking cigars for 18 years with about a 5 or 6 year break in the middle and you want to know what I've found about ash color?

It doesn't mean jack shit. I've had great cigars with white ashes, gray ashes, black ashes and horrid cigars with white ashes, black ashes and gray ashes. Certain tobaccos, grown under certain conditions, produce ash of _____ color. Take that same tobacco, grow it somewhere else, pump the same nutrients into the soil (and tobacco needs TONS of fertilizer and nutrients - it is a very hungry plant, one of hungriest actually), and it tastes a bit different, but equally good, now it has an ash that's kind of ______ in color.

hombre
Sunday, December 5, 2010 3:24:33 PM

According to Carlos Fuente Jr and a few other manufactures in publicized interviews, it's the other way around. High magnesium = white ash.

I've been smoking cigars for 18 years with about a 5 or 6 year break in the middle and you want to know what I've found about ash color?

It doesn't mean jack shit. I've had great cigars with white ashes, gray ashes, black ashes and horrid cigars with white ashes, black ashes and gray ashes. Certain tobaccos, grown under certain conditions, produce ash of _____ color. Take that same tobacco, grow it somewhere else, pump the same nutrients into the soil (and tobacco needs TONS of fertilizer and nutrients - it is a very hungry plant, one of hungriest actually), and it tastes a bit different, but equally good, now it has an ash that's kind of ______ in color.

Thunder.Gerbil wrote:

So what your saying is an ash of a certain color is the same as any other!

Thunder.Gerbil
Sunday, December 5, 2010 3:28:03 PM

So what your saying is an ash of a certain color is the same as any other!

hombre wrote:

And if you're MACS, even hairy ash is good!

TIGERCDW
Sunday, December 5, 2010 3:38:37 PM
^^^^^^25 minutes and it seems that this has turned gay.

WTF

LOL

TIGER

skarpachi
Sunday, December 5, 2010 3:43:19 PM
white, black, brown...all ash is good ash
mk05
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Sunday, December 5, 2010 3:59:59 PM
Yea, I wasn't really interested in how it affects taste in this topic, more about what nutrients cause what coloration - the biology of it.
JadeRose
Sunday, December 5, 2010 4:04:52 PM
The cigar with the most distinct ash, to me, is anything made by Gran Habano. They are always very dark gray to black
wheelrite
Sunday, December 5, 2010 5:56:48 PM

The cigar with the most distinct ash, to me, is anything made by Gran Habano. They are always very dark gray to black

JadeRose wrote:

yeah but you're a queer...

mikey1597
Sunday, December 5, 2010 6:04:54 PM
11 posts and it just went gay
cacman
Monday, December 6, 2010 12:18:10 AM
This is a lot of attention being paid to the ash, but i prefer to concentrate on what is in between.
nickatnite
Monday, December 6, 2010 4:23:38 AM
Ash is ash, as long as it has a nice shape and definition...it's all good

how does that saying about ash goes, the darker the ash ---- the sweeter the cigar.......oh...uh...wait....that's something else.....never mind#-o

derfladnar
Monday, December 6, 2010 8:54:32 AM
White ash is stronger, for some unknown reason. The darker the ash...the poorer the quality of ash...not cigar.
mk05
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Monday, December 6, 2010 6:43:56 PM
I talked to a chemist and he said what a white ash really means, is that a full combustion has taken place. If there are leftover particles in a combustion, the ash will be discolored - leaving grey and black ash. This is basically what I was interested in, because when I burned magnesium, it would always burn white, but some cigar guy kept telling me more Mg = black ash. More Mg should equal whiter ash, since it burns at such a high temp.

So to wrap this up once and for all - perhaps - it doesn't matter what protein blend/chemical/element is in the plant. A full combustion gives the richer white residue ash and a reduction in ash yield. So I guess if you are a grower and find that Mg doesn't affect the final taste of a cigar, pump the plant full of it for a nice, tight, light, white ash.

Thunder.Gerbil
Monday, December 6, 2010 9:22:39 PM
While there is some truth to that, unfortunately, it's just not that simple.

Stinkdyr
Tuesday, December 7, 2010 2:45:44 PM
I don't buy my stix based on the ash...........but I DO buy my chix based on their assssssss!

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