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Tuesday, April 4, 2006 2:36:00 PM
This proves what I have thought about recycling for a long time.

A feel good program with no real return value or effect on the enviroment

We would be better off burning it to produce electricty and reducing the amount of coal we use

Editorial: Throwing away misguided notions about recycling

The Examiner

Apr 4, 2006 7:00 AM (11 hrs ago)

WASHINGTON - Nearly a third of all municipal solid waste is recycled, up from 8 percent in 1990, according to BioCycle magazine. Because of its enormous popularity, few public officials dare discuss recycling’s dirty little secrets: It costs more than it’s worth and really doesn’t help the environment all that much.

After years of forcing businesses and residents to sort out their garbage, some jurisdictions are quietly calling it quits. Lake County, Ohio, scrapped its widely praised and comprehensive curbside recycling program in the Cleveland suburbs last December after county officials glumly realized they’d have to double their $1 per month per household recycling subsidy just to break even. It eventually becomes a cost-benefit ratio thing, County Commissioner Dan Troy said. In some places, governments have had to pay to haul their sorted trash away. Recycling clearly isn’t paying its way.

The District of Columbia’s mandatory recycling program is no exception. According to the Department of Public Works/Office of Recycling’s just-released 2004 annual report, the city spent $4.3 million on recycling efforts, earning back just $829,347 in return. Same thing in New York, where it costs $130 to haul a ton of garbage to a landfill, but $240 to recycle the same stuff.

Curbside recycling is 35 percent to 55 percent more expensive than traditional garbage collection, which explains why national recycling rates have remained flat since 1998. As The Examiner reported in February, the District government itself recycled only 14 percent of its waste — far short of the 45 percent goal — two years after Mayor Anthony Williams settled a lawsuit brought by the Sierra Club intended to force D.C. to enforce its own recycling laws. The public wasn’t told that more recycling would be an even bigger drag on the city’s budget. Clemson University economics professor Daniel Benjamin, who has studied recycling for more than 15 years, put it bluntly: Mandatory recycling wastes resources ... and misleads the public.

There is tremendous advantage in recycling hazardous materials, such as used motor oil or caustic chemicals. But two throwaways that usually land in the plastic bin — glass and paper — are environmentally benign, cheap and made from renewable resources. Modern state-of-the-art landfills now contain, contaminants so well that the Environmental Protection Agency estimates they will cause only one cancer-related death in the U.S. every 50 years, and landfill capacity is at an all-time high. Recycling itself pollutes the environment, which is why 13 of America’s 50 worst Superfund sites were recycling facilities.

More than 4,000 local jurisdictions employ volume-based pricing for solid waste disposal, called the pay-as-you-throw approach. People who generate the most trash pay the most to haul it to a landfill. The only problem, as economists studying a PAYT program in Charlottesville discovered, is that illegal dumping almost doubled as a result. But recycling subsidies could easily be diverted to increase PAYT enforcement efforts.

In “The Economics of Waste,” University of Michigan economist Richard Porter writes, “Residential recycling does not now pay off in a social benefit-cost sense for the average municipality.” Makes you wonder why we’re still doing it.

keitha13
Tuesday, April 4, 2006 2:53:00 PM
I agree, and have thought that as well.

It is mandatory in my city that we recycle. My motto is there will be plenty of trees around when I'm dead.

adroomi
Tuesday, April 4, 2006 4:06:00 PM
So it costs us money, and trees and glass are renewable resources so why do it?

That little part about "not really helping the environment TOO much" is a crutch to support the real message......."it costs money."

Profit, it's all about profit.

usahog
Tuesday, April 4, 2006 4:28:00 PM
Only my 12 oz cans... which reminds me.. it's time to empty a few more!

Hog

03screw
Tuesday, April 4, 2006 5:01:00 PM
Yep, I recycle all glass even if I don't get money for it, aluminum cans, plastic bottles. There is no house recycling program in Lakewood where I live but the city next (long Beach) does?? So I take all cardboard boxes, scrap aluminum, steel, & wood to work. We recycle everything here at the refinery. It makes me feel good I'm doing something to help our childrens future.
usahog
Tuesday, April 4, 2006 5:06:00 PM
They charge an arm an a leg to recycle pick up around here... there is a recycle joint 3 blocks from my house... I got a 55 gal plastic Barrel I fill with my cans smashed... every month or so she's full, I'm happy Free Beer ;0)~~~

Hog

coda
Tuesday, April 4, 2006 5:18:00 PM
I recycle, but my beer cans belong to me.

I have a large garage, a crusher made from 2X4's and a door hinge, garbage bags, a truck, and rope.

My last trip to the aluminum recycler was 204 lbs, for $102. The money guy behind the window said "that's a pretty good haul". And he's probably seen a lot of cans.

CBOB
Tuesday, April 4, 2006 5:56:00 PM
Yes. It doesn't make much sense to fill up landfills with waste materials that take up space and could be used as a resource/fuel. Cost begosh! That's a bunch of hogwash.
jackconrad
Tuesday, April 4, 2006 6:21:00 PM
I recycle Beer and Coffee. I call it ..Returning the favour...
03screw
Tuesday, April 4, 2006 6:49:00 PM
damn coda, in California they pay $1.61/lb of aluminum cans right now. You would have scored $328.00
Mrs.Tank
Tuesday, April 4, 2006 7:53:00 PM
In our complex, the recycling is put into a separate dumpster. Every couple of days, there is some guy who digs in the dumpster pulling out cans. It used to bug me to have to listen to this when my windows were open, but then I found out that the cans are turned into charity as a fundraiser. Not a bad idea.

jjohnson28
Wednesday, April 5, 2006 1:32:00 AM
Yes we do recycle to some extent.

Did adroomi just avoid yet another simple question and try to twist it politically? LOL

JJ

zoinks
Wednesday, April 5, 2006 4:56:00 AM
You're funny jj...and quite astute too!

I worked on the original recycling grants for the state back in 1990. I was amazed at how much money was sent out to the communities, and that was just for startup. I asked the program director how the programs were going to be funded once they started and she said she didn't care, once they got they original grant they were on their own but required by law to keep it going.

We aren't required to recycle, but we do. Bring the plastic, paper and cardboard in when I have to dump the oil. The cans we let our son have, he gets to keep the money from them.

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Wednesday, April 5, 2006 5:24:00 AM
around here you have to pay extra to recycle and they give you a plastic bin

We can tell when it is recycling day around here

The streets are littered with plastic bottles that blow off of the collection trucks

I have actually seen the recycle trucks in line at the scales at the local landfill along with the garbage trucks. I wonder where they are dropping off those loads

Homebrew
Wednesday, April 5, 2006 6:32:00 AM
Kinda funny,

when the government is involved, recycling doesn't pay. Probably too much graft and corruption.

There is a private recycling company just down the road. They turn a profit, according to my buddy who works there.

Go Figure.

Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)

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Wednesday, April 5, 2006 7:00:00 AM
There is a private recycling company just down the road. They turn a profit, according to my buddy who works there.

Go Figure.

Probably has mob connections and has Tony Soprano on the executive board of directors

There has to be a market for the recycled materials

Aluminum and scrap iron are one thing

But you can only make so many park benches out of old plastic milk bottles.

old newspapers are the worst. Not even the newspapers will use recycled newspaper.

I think it was Sweden that abandoned all recycling efforts a couple of years ago and began to use incinerators to burn all recycled trash and turn it into electric power. That use disposed of the trash and gave back a usable resource and produced little pollution because of the efficiency of the incinerators that they developed.

And they could use the ash on the roadways to control icy roads in the winter.

The only damage we can really do to the earth is to temporarly destroy it's ablity to support mankind

After we are gone the earth will recover nicely and trees will grow in the middle of all the highways

Bjaardker
Wednesday, April 5, 2006 7:58:00 AM
Only aluminium. Aluminium at this point is the only material that we get a positive energy yield out of. For example, it takes far more energy & creates far more waste to bleach, repulp, and recycle paper than it does to just grow more trees & make paper. Fossil fuels are not renewable, trees are.

Does that mean we should just throw all of our paper into a landfill? No. Transforming paper into a compost or using it for other things is wonderful. Grinding up glass & using it for glassphault or other things is smart use.

Reduce & Reuse I'm on board with.

Recycle? I've got my reservations.

02hitler
Wednesday, April 5, 2006 8:30:00 AM
Regardless of the cost I do recycle....

At about 20,000 pounds a piece I can still get a good return on my rusty old fleet of Panzers....

Charlie
Wednesday, April 5, 2006 8:48:00 AM
LOL......at hitler.

Charlie

02hitler
Wednesday, April 5, 2006 10:17:00 AM
🙂

Especially at today's prices....steel was a lot cheaper in the good ol' days