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Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:01:00 PM
04/15/2006 20:43:32 EST Dario Lopez-Mills/AP Photo

Many Mexicans Have Jobs Before Crossing

By JULIE WATSON and OLGA R. RODRIGUEZ

Associated Press Writers

SASABE, Mexico - When Pedro Lopez Vazquez crossed illegally into the United States last week, he was not heading north to look for a job. He already had one.

His future employer even paid $1,000 for a smuggler to help Vazquez make his way from the central Mexican city of Puebla to Aspen, Colo.

"We're going to Colorado to work in carpentry because we have a friend who was going to give us a job," Vazquez said.

Vazquez, 41, was interviewed along the Arizona border after being deported twice by the U.S. Border Patrol. He said he would keep trying until he got to Aspen.

His story is not unusual. A growing number of U.S. employers and migrants are tapping into an underground employment network that matches one with the other, often before the migrants leave home.

"It continues to become clear who controls immigration: It's not governments, but rather the market," said Jorge Santibanez, director of the Tijuana-based think-tank Colegio de la Frontera Norte.

As debate over immigration heats up in the United States, more and more U.S. companies in need of cheap labor are turning to undocumented employees to recruit friends and relatives back home, and to smugglers to find job seekers.

Darcy Tromanhauser, of the nonprofit law project Nebraska Appleseed, said companies in need of workers rely on the networks to "pass along the information more effectively than billboards."

"It started out more explicitly, where (meatpacking) companies used to have buses to transport people to come up, and they would advertise directly in Mexico," she said. "Now I think that happens more informally."

At the same time, it has become less risky for companies to recruit illegal migrants. Since the Sept. 11 terror attacks, U.S. prosecution of employers who hire such workers has dwindled to a trickle as the government puts its resources toward national security.

The few cases that are prosecuted, however, highlight how lucrative a business recruiting undocumented workers has become. In one case, a single smuggler allegedly earned $900,000 over 15 months placing 6,000 migrants in jobs at Chinese restaurants across the upper Midwest.

Shan Wei Yu, a 51-year-old Chinese-American, was sentenced in December to nine years in federal prison on charges involving the transportation of 40 of those migrants. Investigations involving the others continue.

Rick Hilzendager, special agent for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Grand Forks, N.D., said Yu connected 6,000 migrants from Latin America with jobs in Chinese restaurants in Illinois, Michigan, North Dakota, South Dakota and Wisconsin.

Based in Yu's home in McKinney, Texas, the Great Texas Employment Agency placed ads in Chinese-language newspapers in the Chicago area offering cheap labor from Latin America, investigators said.

Yu sent a recruiter with Spanish interpreters to find migrants in Dallas willing to be fry cooks and dishwashers, Hilzendager said. A team made up mostly of illegal Chinese immigrants rented cars and drove them up.

Yu allegedly charged a $150 finder's fee for each migrant while the drivers earned $300 per worker. Restaurant owners deducted the $450 from workers' first-month paychecks of $1,000.

"It was just so easy," Hilzendager said.

Nick Chase, assistant U.S. attorney in North Dakota, said Yu even offered to replace workers free of charge if one left within two weeks of starting.

"It was a 2-for-1 special - like a pizza," Chase said. "Everything about it was ugly."

The employees, housed in cramped apartments provided by employers, worked 14-hour days and had little outside contact. The case broke open in August 2004 after two Mexican migrants working at the Buffet House in Grand Forks fled poor conditions and were picked up along a highway by Border Patrol agents.

Many of the drivers involved in the scheme were deported to China. Two North Dakota restaurant owners were sentenced to four months each for harboring illegal immigrants.

But many migrants, and many employers, say the recruiters provide a valuable service. Sergio Sosa, who organizes Nebraska meatpackers, said many are seen as heroes in the Mexican towns where the workers come from.

Sosa, speaking by telephone from Omaha, said that in the 1990s companies bused migrants from the U.S.-Mexico border, paying them room and board plus salaries of $100 a week. But after a government crackdown, they began to rely more on their workers to recruit friends and family back in Mexico.

"One of the meatpacking supervisors is from Michoacan, and most of the people working for him come from his town," Sosa said. "There's no official recruiting - it's more internal through family."

Migrants setting out along the border confirmed his account. Guadalupe Mendez, 26, said her sister found her work as a seamstress in Los Angeles. Lorenzo Garcia Ruiz, 38, said friends arranged a gardening job for him in Kentucky.

To make a real dent in this network, the U.S. government would need to go after employers or make them pay the costs of legalizing workers, migration activists say.

But an August 2005 report of the Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress, indicates the opposite is happening. After the Sept. 11 attacks, work-site inspections by U.S. immigration officials plummeted as they focused on national security cases.

From 1999 to 2004, the number of businesses that faced fines dropped from 417 to three, the GAO said. Data after 2004 could not be compared because the government changed the way it records data.

Investigators say fake documents makes it difficult to prove an employer has knowingly hired an undocumented worker. The business community argues that employers aren't equipped to spot fraud and warns that more investigations could lead to workplace discrimination.

Chase said businesses must be kept in check.

JonR

adroomi
Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:46:00 PM
.....again. Until Uncle Sam starts prosecuting the business that hire illegals, they will not stop coming.

It's interesting to see that the number of prosecutions has gone down that drastically though. So....who's to blame for this?

The illegals or the current administration?

jjohnson28
Saturday, April 15, 2006 10:12:00 PM
OK I'll play for a while. Who do you think is to blame?
adroomi
Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:59:00 AM
jj,

All of us. Every single one of us.

Contrary to what the media may tell you (us), the amount and the frequency of illegals entering the USA has NOT increased in the past 40 years. It's just a big hoopla in the news right now. It'll fizzle out just as soon as a bigger and better story comes along.

We've relied on the service of illegals for as long as I can remember and we're simply NOT ready to stop yet. Our administration KNOWS this, and kudos for them for allowing it to continue.

If we stop illegals, who will:

Pick our veggies

clean our hotel rooms

deliver our pizzas

cook our food in restaurants

dry clean our clothes

I used to date a gal in Lawton Oklahoma. She was Korean and worked at a Korean owned Laundry shop. Her boss owned 6 such laundry shops in the Lawton/Wichita Falls area. Her and her boss were US Citizens. EVERY SINGLE OTHER employee at his shops were Mexican illegal immigrants. Every night they washed, pressed and starched, and did alterations on Battle Dress Uniforms for the entire Fort Sill and Shepherd Air Force Base populations (that's a lot of BDU's). They had a contract with AAFES to do them too. My point? From the four-star general down, illegals did all the work for the US Government (in regards to keeping thier uniforms nice and crisp and clean).

We need them dang Mexicans.....

jjohnson28
Sunday, April 16, 2006 2:13:00 AM
Interesting perspective adroomi. Quite interesting, instead of blaming the criminal (illegal immigrant) you try to blame their environment. How does it feel to be an enabler? Now as far as who would do the work, I feel that that argument is just a bunch of BS and always will be. Here are just a few examples as to why I feel this way.

Pick our veggies: While I've never picked vegetables commercially, I have done my fare share of bailing and stacking hay, hauling and shoveling grain, milked a few cows in my day as well. Even built a few houses, apartment complexes and steel buildings along the way.

Clean our hotel rooms: Never cleaned any hotel rooms either but while I was working in the oil exploration business my girlfriend at the time worked both as a maid and or a waitress.

Deliver our pizzas: You got me here as I have never worked in the fast food industry.

Cook our food in restaurants: Nice try but a couple of times while working in the oil fields and waiting for either the fall rains to stop or spring thaw, I would grab a job here and there as a cook in various restaurants. Hell once I was even the janitor. I didn't really need the money between gigs, but my then GF couldn't stand it that I would hang out at the local watering hole/holes all day, drink beer and sometimes pick up a few bucks shooting pool...LOL

Dry clean our clothes: Sorry again, I've been doing my own laundry since I was 11 years old...LOL

Damn! Thanks for the memories, ya know I would do it all over again. Hell I'd even make the same mistakes, I'd just start a lot sooner and get them the f_ck over with...LOL

JJ

jjohnson28
Sunday, April 16, 2006 2:34:00 AM
Oh almost forgot on the domestic issue. While I didn't do any cleaning of hotel rooms, I did do a bit of carpet/upholstery cleaning, other flooring and flood damage repairs.

andytv
Sunday, April 16, 2006 5:15:00 AM
wait a minute!!!

aren't their like jillions of unemplyed US citizens in this country???????

why can't THEY do the work that the illegals are doing??

am I missing something here?

a paycheck is a paycheck right?

ANY money is better than no money.............right?

It is almost as if SOMEBODY is paying people NOT to work in this country.........imagine that.

jjohnson28
Sunday, April 16, 2006 8:58:00 PM
???
jackconrad
Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:35:00 PM
Andy, Your a boss right, so am i ,People don't wan't jobs that require them to make an effort. I got people makin 30 bucks an hour and i can't find people to take jobs, and it's not labor either.
jjohnson28
Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:44:00 PM
Jack what do you do again? I'm used to a bit more than $30+ an hour, but I may be interested in a change of pace...LOL

BTW the ??? was meant for adroomi.

adroomi
Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:45:00 PM
JJ,

You stated "instead of blaming the criminal (illegal immigrant)"......

Are you making excuses for the millions of employers (US citizens and US registered companies) that employ them? Are they NOT criminals?

You seem to be focusing on the illegals as the only criminals in this game.

Why don't you do something productive to stop illegal immigration instead of simply blaming the illegals. As long as WE (the American public) continue to employ them and give them jobs, they will continue to come across the border.

How about this....ask your local grocer where he/she buys his/her apples. Research the end company that grows the apples. If you find them to be one that employs illegals.....call INS on your local grocer, and start an ad campaign in your local paper to boycott that grocer.

The same goes for EVERY single consumer product you use. Research, and boycott. Sort of like a "dolphin free tuna" thing.

It's easy for you to make excuses about how YOU are the only American in the USA that has EVER NOT benefitted from the services of illegals, but I'd be willing to bet that half the food in your refridgerator, and half the items in your house at some point or another were handled by illegal laborers in America.

Until America stops blaming the illegals for coming across our open border and working in the jobs that we give to them, this problem will not go away.

A Mexican will cross the border to work, regardless if it's illegal or not. He won't however if nobody will hire him.

It's a two way street, and ALL of us are responsible for it. Yes, even you.

tey
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Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:49:00 PM
Podras imaginarte desde afuera,

Ser un mexicano cruzando la frontera.

Pensando en tu familia mientras que pasas,

Dejando todo lo que tu conoces atrás.

Si tuvieras tu que esquivar las balas?

De unos cuantos gringos rancheros?

Les seguiras deciendo (sic) good for nothing ****?

Si tuvieras tu que empezar de cero?

jjohnson28
Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:51:00 PM
Ah Ha you were waiting to see your name repeated in the post to respond...LOL

BTW I haven't read your response yet but I will...

JJ

jjohnson28
Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:51:00 PM
Holly sh*t and Tey right behind you...LMAO!
adroomi
Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:57:00 PM
No...actually I was watching a movie, and I came in to shut down the computer and I decided to do one last check of my email.......and one last check of this site.

But yes, if you hadn't posted to me, I wouldn't have responded....why would I do otherwise?

jjohnson28
Sunday, April 16, 2006 10:01:00 PM
Alright by me, if thats the way you want to spin it.
jackconrad
Sunday, April 16, 2006 10:12:00 PM
JJ ,i am a regional marketing manager for a large company.
adroomi
Sunday, April 16, 2006 10:13:00 PM
You posted your post at 1:44.

I posted my LONG post at 1:45.

Now do you honestly think I had time to type all that in one minute just because I say you had typed something with my name in it? It seems we pretty much were typing at the same time.

However, you did reply to me at 1:51. What.....were you just sitting there for 6 minutes WAITING for me to post something to you?

Dummy.

jjohnson28
Sunday, April 16, 2006 10:26:00 PM
12:58AM ???

(Click/ save as ____ come back later and post) It's not that hard even for a "Dummy" like me...LOL

I could give you an example of a few I have saved in response to some of your posts, only to hit "Return to forum without posting" if you like. You will have to ask though as they can/could be quite graphic to those that don't know us and I wouldn't want Steve to misunderstand that I was only fulfilling your wishes.

Go ahead ask...LOL

jjohnson28
Sunday, April 16, 2006 10:29:00 PM
Jack, thanks for the response. Where, if you don’t mind are you located?

JJ