leftyposthole
Tuesday, November 29, 2011 5:38:09 PM
is subjective I get that, I have been smoking cigars for about five years now. 3 or 4 cigars a day for the last 10 mos. so I have smoked a lot of cigars lately and I have learned alot from you good BOTL and from this forum. I read about what you guys like and what you smoke. Some I have never heard of or are no longer being produced. A lot of the smokes you guys like I find to be harsh or are dominated by pepper. Most of the so called full bodied smokes I find to be that way. I can count on one hand the smokes that have made me want to pee my pants ROTT. Since alot of the smokes are marketed as having 3,4,5 or even 8 or more years of age on the tobacco why do you guys try to age them 1or2 more years in your humi? What does it do the cigar? Does aging mellow out the pepper and the harshness? For what its worth I have only been able to pick up some of the flavors you guys talk about in the last few mos. Not sure if its because I am smoking a better quality of cigar or my palate is just starting to mature. If this is a noob question that has been covered my apologys. Apology also for being so long winded. Would really like to hear what you more seasoned brothers have to say.

Lefty

ZRX1200
Tuesday, November 29, 2011 6:05:45 PM
Age is gonna mellow tobacco but very slowly. And different strains, growing conditions (soil, light exposure.....etc) and processing of the leafs all play a part.

As to the rest your heading the right way as you know what you DON'T like that's a good thing. But. That may change. I say stay open minded and don't be afraid to try any cigar. Its part of the fun!

rah0785
Tuesday, November 29, 2011 6:19:01 PM

Age is gonna mellow tobacco but very slowly. And different strains, growing conditions (soil, light exposure.....etc) and processing of the leafs all play a part.

As to the rest your heading the right way as you know what you DON'T like that's a good thing. But. That may change. I say stay open minded and don't be afraid to try any cigar. Its part of the fun!

ZRX1200 wrote:

....very good. And age naked. Not you, your cigars. Results are much quicker. 4 weeks makes a big difference, then another 3-4 months to stabilize, mellow, and by the time a year rolls around you can have a completely different cigar. Just started doing this in April, and the smokes I am pulling out now from May and June are MUCH BETTER.

njstone
Tuesday, November 29, 2011 7:24:35 PM

....very good. And age naked. Not you, your cigars. Results are much quicker. 4 weeks makes a big difference, then another 3-4 months to stabilize, mellow, and by the time a year rolls around you can have a completely different cigar. Just started doing this in April, and the smokes I am pulling out now from May and June are MUCH BETTER.

rah0785 wrote:

I would put forth arguments about this point, but I'm too lazy right now, lol. Suffice it to say this:

Faster aging does not necessarily mean better aging.

bdrizzle
Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:42:59 AM
to settle the question once and for all. If you remove the cello and keep the cigar long enough you will tear the wrapper. I hate that. I keep all my cello on and my RH at 80% to get that white moldy look I'm after.🍺
bdrizzle
Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:44:23 AM
by the way. rah, why did you start over?
05busa
Wednesday, November 30, 2011 2:07:49 AM
Oh christ
delarob
Wednesday, November 30, 2011 8:05:29 AM
I've given away so many cigars that I thought sucked and tried them again years later to only wish I had saved more.

Example: bout 10 years ago I boutght several boxes of Jose Marti in these wooden tubes. Thought they outright sucked azz. Gave away most of them but kept 1 box for **** and giggles. Smoked one a couple weeks ago and could kick myself. They've got probably 15 + yrs on em now...

Now when I buy boxes, I put half away in 1 yr increments, 2 each yr, for 5 yrs just to see what happens.

Maybe this should have been under the Cigar Quirks thread.. 😰

lou2row
Wednesday, November 30, 2011 8:22:25 AM
A lot of times they speak of some of the tobacco is aged, not the cigar or not all the tobacco. Giving them some more time allows them to meld together, reach a humidity that you prefer, and to stabilize from transit.

I am not part of the uncelloed crowd, and I also have seen some cigars don't age well, while others do. Some of those curl your toes cigars will with time, turn into solid rich, flavor filled cigars without the harsh notes.

dstieger
Wednesday, November 30, 2011 9:27:41 AM

This.

I am not part of the uncelloed crowd, and I also have seen some cigars don't age well, while others do. Some of those curl your toes cigars will with time, turn into solid rich, flavor filled cigars without the harsh notes.

lou2row wrote:

By far best bit of info for noob agers (myself included.) There is a certain 'harshness' that you begin to recognize that has the potential to really smooth out with age.

I move my cigars around way too much before smoking them -- those with cello stay with cello -- many without get bagged. I use boxes and trays and bags, but still, I've got cigars that I've been moving around humis and coolers for 5-6 years and if they didn't have cello, they'd be a real mess. It's only the cc's that don't, and I keep those in their boxes and am more careful handling them.

APBTMarcel
Wednesday, November 30, 2011 11:59:00 AM

Age is gonna mellow tobacco but very slowly. And different strains, growing conditions (soil, light exposure.....etc) and processing of the leafs all play a part.

As to the rest your heading the right way as you know what you DON'T like that's a good thing. But. That may change. I say stay open minded and don't be afraid to try any cigar. Its part of the fun!

ZRX1200 wrote:

+1

Just because you age them doesn't mean they will necesarily get better either. Sometimes they lose too much flavor, sometimes you just prefer something with more pepper, kick, etc., and sometimes you age a **** cigar and it's still ****, as it should be, lol.

For example I have a box of '08 Illusione MK's that are amazing and some '11 Mk's that are amazing, but very different cigars for different occasions. '08s are way more mellow and '11s have a nice spice to them.

If you take off the cello to age them then you don't end up with yellow cello...........:-"

JohnE1000
Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:18:59 PM

Since alot of the smokes are marketed as having 3,4,5 or even 8 or more years of age on the tobacco why do you guys try to age them 1or2 more years in your humi?

leftyposthole wrote:

Cigar manufacturers advertise the number of years the leafs has been aged, not since the cigars have been rolled.

What does it do the cigar?

leftyposthole wrote:

Cigars are made from many different strains and/or different regional tobacco. After the tobacco is rolled together, time is needed for the leafs to exchange oils, minerals, and other organic compounds to make the final flavor profile. The time needed for aging varies dramatically. Some are ready out of the box, like Padrons, and other need many years like Cubans. Some others will not age well.

Does aging mellow out the pepper and the harshness?

leftyposthole wrote:

Aging will mellow down harshness, if the cigar is made of good tobacco, but peppers will remain.

For what its worth I have only been able to pick up some of the flavors you guys talk about in the last few mos. Not sure if its because I am smoking a better quality of cigar or my palate is just starting to mature."

leftyposthole wrote:

Palates do not mature. Psychology and memory plays a roll in this.

delarob
Wednesday, November 30, 2011 2:02:05 PM
I got some pallets out back the wood has matured pretty well...