I am not a fan of the man (damn Kenyan Muslin) or his policies but he gave a decent speech.

I REALLY liked the Republican response. My first question was who is this guy and why isn't her running for President.

[quote=MikeyRavioli]I am not a fan of the man (damn Kenyan Muslin) or his policies but he gave a decent speech.

I REALLY liked the Republican response. My first question was who is this guy and why isn't her running for President. [/quote]

Eh, it was okay. He spanked the republicans quite a bit trying to look like he's not a caver.

The response was hilarious to me. So over the top with silly inflections. "We will always be a nation of 'haves' and 'soon to haves'." wtf?

And Daniels is too short to be President. He is short, but I don't care, but people apparently do because someone says it every time his name is mentioned. Plus, he was Bush's budget director and we all know how that worked out. He estimated the Iraq war would only cost 50 billion and screwed up bad. But a lot of Republicans like him.

Well, not judging the content or the accuracy, I think if we saw more of that attitude the last three years his approval rating would be higher.

[quote=MikeyRavioli]Well, not judging the content or the accuracy, I think if we saw more of that attitude the last three years his approval rating would be higher.

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Kind of surprised by that. I agree. He made too many compromises when the republicans were and are not compromising and should be tougher and stand up for his principles, or at least Democratic principles. He doesn't have many of those anymore.

I didn't hear anything special or new.

It sounds like politics as usual to me. He wants to expand the power of the Executive Branch, go deeper in debt and expand Big Government.

What's so special about that?

He could've stated he wants a repeal of NAFTA legislation...but he didn't.

He could've stated he wants a cessation to wars...but he didn't.

Just more patting on his own back and a bunch of trained Pavlovian politicians standing up and clapping for far too long over nothing.

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Speeches smeeches... WGF about words.

Caught bits and pieces of the activist's pep talk. Ok, I guess I'll give him an "A" for oratory skills. Same thing with the Republican nerd who followed him.

Now, how about we give the small US businessman a few breaks & stop jabberin' our jaws.

Btw, Fuzz, it was 50 billion per YEAR that was supposed to have been paid by Iraqui oil revenues for the war effort.

[quote=FuzzNJ]Kind of surprised by that. I agree. He made too many compromises when the republicans were and are not compromising and should be tougher and stand up for his principles, or at least Democratic principles. He doesn't have many of those anymore.[/quote]

I think the days of extreme left or extreme right are over. The majority of the populous sits closer to the middle these days and the line between Democrat and Republican are getting blurrier every day. The election may come down to who the voting public likes better: an economic populist or a social populist regardless of party.

I knew the Red Dogs of C-bid would jump on me. I figured it would have been harder honestly.

All I was saying was I thought there was a marked difference in the Presidents attitude this speech than his previous speeches. Obviosly with the election looming and the poll numbers not looking so good, a change was required.

I thought it was refreshing to see a guy who was more about concession and apology showing a little fight. I am still a Romney guy, but I liked seeing some spark even if it was just bluster.

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Btw, Fuzz, it was 50 billion per YEAR that was supposed to have been paid by Iraqui oil revenues for the war effort.[/quote]

Second part correct, first part not.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/georgepacker/2010/03/mitch-daniels-redux.html 

Romney guy says it all.

I liked the part where he said he would work with everyone to pass legislation to help Amerika. Then he followed that by saying he wouldn't compromise.

The Kenyan king is a joke. I give the teleprompter a C+ for oratory skills.

[quote=MikeyRavioli]I think the days of extreme left or extreme right are over. The majority of the populous sits closer to the middle these days and the line between Democrat and Republican are getting blurrier every day. The election may come down to who the voting public likes better: an economic populist or a social populist regardless of party.

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The majority of the population has ALWAYS been in the middle. It's the political class, political entertainment tv and radio and the small band of extremists on both sides that are fighting. Obama is trying to be in the middle, all things to all people, and with extremists yelling the loudest he looks weak by not fighting back harder.

The vast majority of the electorate don't even understand all the issues, they can't, people are too busy surviving. I have a lot of time, and I'm lucky, to read and listen. Most people don't and quite a few just listen to someone they trust to tell them what to do anyway, a relative, preacher, media personality or single issue voters.

The entire discussion of who is being a populist, who is smart or stupid for a certain political move etc, is discussion about process, not policy. It treats the election as a sporting event instead of discussing the policies that would be best for the nation because they want viewers to make more money so they've dumbed it down to the detriment of the country.

^ again just like FGM said.

[quote=FuzzNJ]The majority of the population has ALWAYS been in the middle. It's the political class, political entertainment tv and radio and the small band of extremists on both sides that are fighting. Obama is trying to be in the middle, all things to all people, and with extremists yelling the loudest he looks weak by not fighting back harder.

The vast majority of the electorate don't even understand all the issues, they can't, people are too busy surviving. I have a lot of time, and I'm lucky, to read and listen. Most people don't and quite a few just listen to someone they trust to tell them what to do anyway, a relative, preacher, media personality or single issue voters.

The entire discussion of who is being a populist, who is smart or stupid for a certain political move etc, is discussion about process, not policy. It treats the election as a sporting event instead of discussing the policies that would be best for the nation because they want viewers to make more money so they've dumbed it down to the detriment of the country.[/quote]

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[quote=FuzzNJ]Second part correct, first part not.

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I remember dubya saying that on tv- 50 Billion per year from oil revenues. War would pay for itself year after year (this part I ad-libbed but that's what I think he meant).

At this point, I don't care about a politician's public presentation. He could stammer & choke like that George VI (?) character with marbles in his mouth if it means that I'll see an increase in my paycheck and more harmony around me. Right now I see just another smooth politician and decades of gradual deterioration.

To hell with speeches.

But wait, let's analyze his body language & gestures while we're at it. Ooooooohhhhh, won't that be fun! 😮

[quote=bloody spaniard]I remember dubya saying that on tv- 50 Billion per year from oil revenues. War would pay for itself year after year (this part I ad-libbed but that's what I think he meant).

At this point, I don't care about a politician's public presentation. He could stammer & choke like that George VI (?) character with marbles in his mouth if it means that I'll see an increase in my paycheck and more harmony around me. Right now I see just another smooth politician and decades of gradual deterioration.

To hell with speeches.

But wait, let's analyze his body language & gestures while we're at it. Ooooooohhhhh, won't that be fun! 😮[/quote]

And where they get those fabulous suits and haircuts!!!!](*,)

[quote=DrMaddVibe]And where they get those fabulous suits and haircuts!!!!](*,) [/quote]

Thats actually why I am supporting Romney. He has the best hair of all candidates. Even in a non-political sense the man has great hair.

[quote=MikeyRavioli]Thats actually why I am supporting Romney. He has the best hair of all candidates. Even in a non-political sense the man has great hair. [/quote]

and very white teeth. I've heard that he has minty fresh breath too.

[quote=MikeyRavioli]Thats actually why I am supporting Romney. He has the best hair of all candidates. Even in a non-political sense the man has great hair. [/quote]

There you go. At least you've got some integrity in admitting that... which is more than I can say for most political whores.

Can America afford a Massachusetts moderate?

(I got that as a voice mail yesterday)

[quote=HockeyDad]Can America afford a Massachusetts moderate?

(I got that as a voice mail yesterday)[/quote]

Any particular reason why your voice went up an octave & it sounded as though you were fighting back tears when you aksed dat?[gonzo]