I'd like to make this an entirly different thread issue

"The immigrant populations of America certainly kicked some ass recently. They showed up, and politicians and big business listened. They didn't even have to kick ass actually, they just showed up."

They (Illegal Immigrants) really didn't even have to show up.. because the Lobbying efforts OF BIG BUSINESS already has the Politicians (wallets) ringing in their ears and drowning out what American People actually want...

Our Constitution is really being Taxed on this issue alone.. States Rights have already come into play here... and in the next couple of days.. these issue's will be burned into peoples (Americans) minds come November...

Hog

"They (Illegal Immigrants) really didn't even have to show up.. because the Lobbying efforts OF BIG BUSINESS already has the Politicians (wallets) ringing in their ears and drowning out what American People actually want..."

There's truth to that because certain businesses benefit handsomely by having access to cheap labor. Those businesses turn those profits into lobbying capital, and buy the nod of the politician. At least that's my understanding of how our system of government works.

http://tinyurl.com/m48gw 

http://tinyurl.com/nzrc  No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.

http://tinyurl.com/jyhnm  Naturalization is the act whereby a person voluntarily and actively acquires a nationality which is not his or her nationality at birth.

Making the constitutionality of it a complex issue as well.

The swelling tide of immigration to America has grown so large now that any bandaid solutions or reflex reactions are already a day late and a dollar short. It's a Katrina in the making and our government is about as equipped to deal with it as they were Katrina, are or lobbyiing reform.

Your comment about "what American People actually want" really only represents what a segemnt of the population really wants. Different socio-economic groups of the masses have different interests, and each will have to fight for their share of the pie; big business will simply support the side that benefits them the most economically, and politicians hang back and follow their lead; unless people start speaking out and threatening their election chances. We can't get to big business, but we can get to the politicians, but it will require hard ball, not passivity. This is the way the founding fathers intended it to work I believe (to inhibit single party rule).

The Statue of Liberty inscription is somewhat idealistic.

No citizenry wants unconcrolled, mass immigration. Multinational corporations not only want it, they will do everything in there power to encourage it. And there's the rub.

I think all the major issues are nonpartisan because the "rub" is between citizens and MultiNats instead of Dems. and Reps. But you'll notice that isn't the way it's portrayed in the press. The mainstream media, which is now owned by six corporations, is very busy trying to get the citizenry angry at EACH OTHER instead of at them. Divide and conquer, baby!

Allbid, I have to say baloney on this one. The manifest destiny thrust of post-constitutional America wanted bodies and wanted bodies bad to fill up the vast frontiers.

The Federalist Papers speak of a country so large and so divided that no one power could ever control it, all that was needed to fullful that promise was bodies (preferably pink ones), and lots of em.'

That may not be what America wants or needs today, but by 1800 the welcome mat was out in earnest, and legality was scarely an issue.

"[President] Bush said that massive deportation [of illegal aliens] is unrealistic. He said you can't just move 12 million people to another country. I don't know—Mexico did it." —Jay Leno

I feel strongly that the historical influx of immigrants, legal or otherwise, is unrelated to the issues facing us today.

Back in the 1800's there were no social programs to become overwhelmed by an influx of predominantly poor and uneducated masses. Those immigrants of yesteryear were on equal ground from both a financial and educational standing, to those that sought the wild frontierland.

Today's socialistic USA is forced to care for these, and the burden is now put on the shoulders of the tax payers.

We're not simply talking about 12 million hard working lettuce pickers (as some of the illegal proponents suggest), but also their families. And since lettuce picking doesn't earn a livable wage (hence, that's why no Americans supposedly want the jobs), we would still need to support these families on Uncle Sam's teets.

Reforming the laws is not enough.

We need to stop the border crossings and the resentment and violence that accompanies it.

Once that is accomplished, we can look to streamline the process to allow legal immigration to fill our need for immigrant workers.

very good point gaiter!!! ecellent!!

I am not a bigfan of the "things are just different now" comment.. expecially when it comes to chile rearing!

But in this case you have a very valid point. things are different.

There is a big difference in policies today than it was 100 years ago!! You either worked or starved, not so today!!

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