leftyposthole
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 12:50:05 PM
of the No. 5s and Ernesto proceeded to weigh each and every one. After doing so with somewhere between 30 and 40 cigars, we found there was a discrepancy in the range of weight of the samples–ranging between 1 to 3 grams per cigar. We then proceeded to cut and light cigars, each from different weights. We did this with about a dozen different cigars. What we found was shocking to me. When the cigar was in the sweet spot (a proprietary weight that we’ve agreed upon), it smoked like an absolute dream; rich, chewy smoke, smacking of flavors of sweet-spice, earthy-tobacco, and creamy-nutty undertones. When the weight was off by a single gram under that sweet spot, the flavors were far less defined and somewhat muted. When the weight was over by a gram, the draw became too firm and the volume and body decreased dramatically. Amazing. Chalk it up to my continuing education in this industry and to the wealth of experience and knowledge of “El Padrino” that one only acquires after doing this for over 40 years. It’s experiences such as these that both humble me, and also constantly rejuvenate my love for this industry. Jon Huber

Read this yesterday in an article sent to me by the guys at Crowned Heads cigars. Thought this was very interesting. My thoughts were this. If Mr. Carrillo knows this so does every other manufacturer of fine premium cigars. Do the better factorys weigh all their cigars? If they do, do they send them in the boxes anyway? If they do weigh them and sort them out what happens to those under or overweight cigars? I wonder if this in fact true, " I have no reason to believe its not " maybe that is why alot of quote, internet cigars, don't seem to live up to the hype. They obviously cannot unroll them and start over. Could it be these cigars are shipped to the high volume internet or discount sites at a huge savings to be sold at highly reduced prices?

Just some rambling thoughts from a noob. What say you bros. and sisters. Where's T Gerbil, NJ, or all you other experts?

Lefty

a gram by the way is about the weight of a dollar bill

tailgater
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:03:06 PM

of the No. 5s and Ernesto proceeded to weigh each and every one. After doing so with somewhere between 30 and 40 cigars, we found there was a discrepancy in the range of weight of the samples–ranging between 1 to 3 grams per cigar. We then proceeded to cut and light cigars, each from different weights. We did this with about a dozen different cigars. What we found was shocking to me. When the cigar was in the sweet spot (a proprietary weight that we’ve agreed upon), it smoked like an absolute dream; rich, chewy smoke, smacking of flavors of sweet-spice, earthy-tobacco, and creamy-nutty undertones. When the weight was off by a single gram under that sweet spot, the flavors were far less defined and somewhat muted. When the weight was over by a gram, the draw became too firm and the volume and body decreased dramatically. Amazing. Chalk it up to my continuing education in this industry and to the wealth of experience and knowledge of “El Padrino” that one only acquires after doing this for over 40 years. It’s experiences such as these that both humble me, and also constantly rejuvenate my love for this industry. Jon Huber

Read this yesterday in an article sent to me by the guys at Crowned Heads cigars. Thought this was very interesting. My thoughts were this. If Mr. Carrillo knows this so does every other manufacturer of fine premium cigars. Do the better factorys weigh all their cigars? If they do, do they send them in the boxes anyway? If they do weigh them and sort them out what happens to those under or overweight cigars? I wonder if this in fact true, " I have no reason to believe its not " maybe that is why alot of quote, internet cigars, don't seem to live up to the hype. They obviously cannot unroll them and start over. Could it be these cigars are shipped to the high volume internet or discount sites at a huge savings to be sold at highly reduced prices?

Just some rambling thoughts from a noob. What say you bros. and sisters. Where's T Gerbil, NJ, or all you other experts?

Lefty

a gram by the way is about the weight of a dollar bill

leftyposthole wrote:

"internet cigars"?

I don't smoke enough ot the higher end cigars both at my local and from my own "internet" stash to make a truly informed decision one way or the other.

But if this holds even a little truth, then this explains why so many B&M shops are closing shop.

Face it, if you purchased a "deal" on (for instance) an Opus X from the internet but it smoked like skunk weed, would you EVER pony up $20 at the local to smoke another?

It's more likely that the seconds get relabeled, not sold to the high volume dealers where many MORE people would smoke the inferior cigar.

Buckwheat
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:25:31 PM
RRRRRRight. If you smoke it and you like it who gives two squirts if it is "off weight". [fog]

Sounds like marketing BS to me. [frypan] If you load a cigar full of the wrong blend it will not taste right no matter the weight which probably has more to do with moisture content than anything else. I like the way that this guy describes himself as a “cigar architect”. Whatever the f that is? He is just trying to sell cigars (his cigars). [-x

I also like the reverence in the original article (http://tiny.cc/iohe9) to the “The Ecuador Habano wrappers” (it is either Ecuadorian or Cuban but not both) that were stunning. 🌫

Pheloniousmunk
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:54:11 PM
The obvious answer to me is that the underweight cigars are drier and the overweight cigars are over humidified, while the cigars in the sweetspot in weight are also in the sweetspot in RH. Remember, I said the obvious answer, not necessarily the right answer. I wonder what would happen if all of the cigars were allowed to normalize in RH together for about 6 mos, what might you then find?

I also have to agree with tailgater. I don't think a reputable cigar manufacturer would allow their product to be sold any where as banded, first quality if it didn't meet their standard for that band.

dpnewell
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:55:44 PM
Just for giggles, I weighed some smokes. Tried to pick sticks that I had at least a tray of (30+), except for the high end stuff. Here's my findings, which leads me to believe that a 3 to 4 gram variance is considered fine by the industry, even in top end smokes. Could be they pull sticks that vary more then this and sell them as 2nds. Really surprised to see such a variance in the PAMs.

PDR 1878 Maddie Rob (sampling of 30+) 14 to 19 grams

Carlos Torano Virtuoso (sampling of 30+) 14 to 17 grams

AB Tempus Maduro Rob (sampling of 20+) 14 to 17 grams

Tat Havana VI Nobles (sampling of 30+) 11 to 16 grams

LP T-52 Rob (sampling of 18) 12 to 15 grams

LP Dirty Rat (sampling of 😎 10 to 11 grams

PAM 64 Robs (sampling of 9) 15 to 18 grams

Probably should go back and pull out a low and high weight stick, and smoke them side to side to see the difference, if any.

dpnewell
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 2:00:34 PM

The obvious answer to me is that the underweight cigars are drier and the overweight cigars are over humidified, while the cigars in the sweetspot in weight are also in the sweetspot in RH. Remember, I said the obvious answer, not necessarily the right answer. I wonder what would happen if all of the cigars were allowed to normalize in RH together for about 6 mos, what might you then find?

I also have to agree with tailgater. I don't think a reputable cigar manufacturer would allow their product to be sold any where as banded, first quality if it didn't meet their standard for that band.

Pheloniousmunk wrote:

Each above lot where from the same tray, in the same cooler/humidor, and most have been sitting for months if not years, so I think humidity would be consistent. The PAMs are somewhat new, but they where shipped naked in the same sealed bag, so I would assume they have equalized also.

delta1
Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:03:13 AM
imagine that, a cigar salesman blowing smoke!!!
dubleuhb
Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:01:11 AM
Didn't weigh any cigars but I have some that say they weigh a ton, or is that my Uzi?
dpnewell
Wednesday, February 22, 2012 6:49:49 AM

Didn't weigh any cigars but I have some that say they weigh a ton, or is that my Uzi?

dubleuhb wrote:

That's why I chose the T-52s and Rats instead. Figured they might break my scale, lol

Rclay
Wednesday, February 22, 2012 6:55:01 AM
Dpnewell. Nicely explained.

wheelrite
Wednesday, February 22, 2012 6:56:16 AM
I bought some weed once.

The baggie looked a few grams short...

hombre
Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:30:29 AM
I don't have a little scale to weigh with. I traded it to Busa along with the rest of my beginner's kit for crack production for a couple Puros Indios Big Chiefs....

hombre
Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:38:34 AM
This is an intersting topic though. I would imagine one blend would always have the same qty of leaves and the same types of leaves. Being natural, and hand cut, you will never get the cuts in the exact same place ever time. I few milimeters up or down on the bunch of leaves will easily give you a gram or two. So, I think it is for the most part nonsense unless you are talking RH level or more or less leaf packed in.

I have had at least 25 blends (probably many more) from Cbid and from B&M and have never noticed a difference (unless I smoked the cbid smoke off the truck and didn't give it time to rest) so there isn't "internet vs B&M cigars. The bad cigars become seconds. It would not make sense to sell inferior quality cigars on line with the same brand name. Reputations of cigars are made or broke on the internet, not at the B&M. Cigar forums are the life blood of the cigar industry (at least for serious smokers and not your casual smokers) Reputations would be ruined by sending inferior cigars to the internet guys.

leftyposthole
Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:54:00 AM
Is there that much markup in cigars that a B&M sells a cigar for twelve bucks when that same smoke canbe bought at cbid for example for three bucks.
Rclay
Wednesday, February 22, 2012 11:03:06 AM
If you want to hear something strange. After I smoke my gars they weigh much less than before I smoke them. Just saying it sounds suspicious.
hombre
Wednesday, February 22, 2012 11:23:36 AM

Is there that much markup in cigars that a B&M sells a cigar for twelve bucks when that same smoke canbe bought at cbid for example for three bucks.

leftyposthole wrote:

You can imagine the cbid/CI cost is much lower because of quantity discounts. I am sure they loose money on some of the auctions if the price does not go high enough.

However, at a B&M you are paying for personal help, A great place to smoke? and atmosphere.

I buy some from both. My B&M also carries stuff that Cbid doesn't auction... So my money goes to both.

leftyposthole
Wednesday, February 22, 2012 11:30:48 AM
I see you won some of those Acto Mayors, have you smoked them yet, they are one of my top five.............
opelmanta1900
Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:00:21 PM

If you want to hear something strange. After I smoke my gars they weigh much less than before I smoke them. Just saying it sounds suspicious.

Rclay wrote:

Where'd all the extra weight go? Do you weigh more when you're done smoking? You should try a before and after weigh...

tonycsmoke
Friday, February 24, 2012 1:52:48 PM
It could also be the way a cigar is rolled. Most cigars are machine bunched, that is they bunch the filler then bind and wrap the cigar. Some cigars are rolled "entubar" which has to be done by hand. Difference is that a cigar thats rolled entubar is more densly packed. The trick is that the cigar has several tunnels throughout to allow for smoke to pass. It supposed to burn slower increasing the flavor. Thats why some cigars burn far quicker then others.
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