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Tuesday, February 5, 2013 3:05:20 AM
Someone Just Leaked Obama's Rules for Assassinating American Citizens Mike Riggs | Feb. 4, 2013 9:36 pm

For over a year now journalists, civil liberties advocates, and members of Congress have been asking the Obama administration to release internal memoranda from the Office of Legal Counsel justifying Obama's targeted killing program. While the White House continues to deny that such memos exist, NBC is reporting that it has acquired the next best thing: A secretish 16-page white paper from the Department of Justice that was provided to select members of the Senate last June.

Michael Isikoff reports that

[t]he 16-page memo, a copy of which was obtained by NBC News, provides new details about the legal reasoning behind one of the Obama administration’s most secretive and controversial polices: its dramatically increased use of drone strikes against al-Qaida suspects, including those aimed at American citizens, such as the September 2011 strike in Yemen that killed alleged al-Qaida operatives Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan. Both were U.S. citizens who had never been indicted by the U.S. government nor charged with any crimes.

[T]he confidential Justice Department “white paper” introduces a more expansive definition of self-defense or imminent attack than described by Brennan or Holder in their public speeches. It refers, for example, to what it calls a “broader concept of imminence” than actual intelligence about any ongoing plot against the U.S. homeland.

Instead, it says, an “informed, high-level” official of the U.S. government may determine that the targeted American has been “recently” involved in “activities” posing a threat of a violent attack and “there is no evidence suggesting that he has renounced or abandoned such activities.” The memo does not define “recently” or “activities.”

kombat96
Tuesday, February 5, 2013 6:07:35 AM
So what are these papers try to say?
DrMaddVibe
Tuesday, February 5, 2013 7:35:23 AM
Dey be sayin' "roll me a bigg phattie an twist mes up in it"...lick lick lick..."who gonna spark dis up in da hizzy?"

That's what the paper is sayin Special K!

rfenst
Tuesday, February 5, 2013 8:06:30 AM
So what? I have no problem with killing those outside our borders, who are a likely lethal terrorist and are a threat to the U.S. and other countries. If they happen to be U.S. citizens, F 'em. It's war...
DrMaddVibe
Tuesday, February 5, 2013 8:09:50 AM

So what? I have no problem with killing those outside our borders, who are a likely lethal terrorist and are a threat to the U.S. and other countries. If they happen to be U.S. citizens, F 'em. It's war...

rfenst wrote:

And throw their sorry asses in Guantanamo FOREVER!

They got no rights...over there...here...screw 'em!

Until they take out uncle Fred...then the water works start and it's a national call to arms.

We can all see just how wonderful the Patriot Act worked out...no? Homeland Security?

Feeling better yet? Safer?

You're not.

rfenst
Tuesday, February 5, 2013 8:20:22 AM

And throw their sorry asses in Guantanamo FOREVER!

They got no rights...over there...here...screw 'em!

Until they take out uncle Fred...then the water works start and it's a national call to arms.

We can all see just how wonderful the Patriot Act worked out...no? Homeland Security?

Feeling better yet? Safer?

You're not.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

If we can capture them alive, they have some rights. However if we can't reasonably capture them but can only kill them, I don't care.

DrMaddVibe
Tuesday, February 5, 2013 8:23:32 AM

If we can capture them alive, they have some rights. However if we can't reasonably capture them but can only kill them, I don't care.

rfenst wrote:

Ah...yes...the ol' John Wayne...DEAD or ALIVE...yes...has a dramatic flair about it...sounds macho and absolute. Why if you dare ask a question well they'll throw YOU up against the wall screaming "You're either with us or against us"...yes...now where have I heard this before?

Tellin' ya...it just never works out. Used to be a time when being a US citizen meant you had certain freedoms...liberties...sigh...those were the days.

rfenst
Tuesday, February 5, 2013 8:31:34 AM

Ah...yes...the ol' John Wayne...DEAD or ALIVE...yes...has a dramatic flair about it...sounds macho and absolute. Why if you dare ask a question well they'll throw YOU up against the wall screaming "You're either with us or against us"...yes...now where have I heard this before?

Tellin' ya...it just never works out. Used to be a time when being a US citizen meant you had certain freedoms...liberties...sigh...those were the days.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

As the world turns...

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Tuesday, February 5, 2013 10:35:31 AM
You Robert are fine with one man deciding a US citizen can be murdered without trial?
DrMaddVibe
Tuesday, February 5, 2013 10:37:25 AM

You Robert are fine with one man deciding a US citizen can be murdered without trial?

ZRX1200 wrote:

With this administration...SURE!

HockeyDad
Tuesday, February 5, 2013 2:19:18 PM
Obama is the deciderer.
victor809
Tuesday, February 5, 2013 2:25:23 PM
Did the document specify donation minimums for amnesty?
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Tuesday, February 5, 2013 2:27:41 PM
Victor the website has a link for the entire doc.
Buckwheat
Tuesday, February 5, 2013 2:29:49 PM
Got any legit non-blogger sources for this story? Didn't think so.
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Tuesday, February 5, 2013 2:32:43 PM
NBC leaked the document.

Hey you are going to process and think what you want, just thought it was interesting.

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Tuesday, February 5, 2013 2:37:34 PM
Buckwheat.

They are DOING this Americans WERE killed without trial. The "document" is reported to be an outline of the administrations policy which they have not released.

So if it is "faked" is that a bigger deal to you than Americans being murdered without trial?

Buckwheat
Tuesday, February 5, 2013 2:42:34 PM
Sorry. I just couldn't find anything on NBC's website about this but I was able to find multiple Blog sites with the info.

Really I don't care if US Citizens who associate with known terrorists are snuffed out in a military operation.

HockeyDad
Tuesday, February 5, 2013 2:49:19 PM
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Tuesday, February 5, 2013 2:51:47 PM
If they truly are guilty I agree.

But who is deciding that and based off of whose information at what threshold is that decision made.

And secondly is that whole process constitutional?

HockeyDad
Tuesday, February 5, 2013 2:53:05 PM
Think of it as a "death panel". Those are OK.