Tuckersdad
Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:36:00 AM
A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED

Some of you weren't born yet . . . those of us who lived through the Viet Nam conflict remember only all too well. Tuck

Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of the Century." BY BARBRA WALTERS. Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam.

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison the "Hanoi Hilton." Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward on to the camp Commandant's feet, which sent that officer berserk.

In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied application of a wooden baton. From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the "Hanoi Hilton",,, the first three of which his family only knew he was "missing in action".

His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and clothed routine in preparation for a "peace delegation" visit. They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they were alive and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security Number on it, in the palm of his hand.

When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.

She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper. Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage in Cambodia; and one year in a "black box" in Verdana.

My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodia border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs.(My normal weight is 170 lbs.)

We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals." When Jane Fonda was in Verdana, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received. And how different it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as "humane and lenient." Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched with a large steel weight placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane.

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda soon after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She never did answer me. These first-hand experiences do not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of "100 Years of Great Women." Lest we forget..."100 Years of Great Women" should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots.

There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them.

RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF

716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of Maintenance

BOTL43
Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:53:00 AM
Tuck do you have a link to a web site were this article is posted. Were I dont have to cut and past from here to another sight?

This is one subject that has been repeated to me over the years by those that were there. I agree it is something that will not be forgoten untill this scumbag is no longer with us.

BOTL43
Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:57:00 AM
Tuck I just found this.. Who is this person that claimes to know the truth??

http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda_urban_legends.htm 

Tuckersdad
Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:11:00 AM
I don't know who that person is, I think he's wrong. I lived through it, saw the pictures of her with the enemy, saw the pictures of her sitting in a North Vietnam anti aircraft gun, read the stories, etc. I can't verify each of the stories, but it's certain she was/is a traitor, and she did our country and fighting men a great disservice while I was losing friends left and right. Tuck
adroomi
Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:07:00 AM
Jane Fonda was honored by Barbara Walters in her special on ABC by being one of the top 100 most influential women of the century on April 30, 1999. True

The passing of slips of papers to Jane Fonda and subsequent beatings that caused the death of three men.

False

The story about LTC Jerry Driscoll.

False

The story about Col. Larry Carrigan.

False.

"It's a figment of somebody's imagination," says Ret. Col. Larry Carrigan, one of the servicemen mentioned in the 'slips of paper' incident. Carrigan was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967 and did spend time in a POW camp. He has no idea why the story was attributed to him, saying, "I never met Jane Fonda." In 2005, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reported that Carrigan "is so tired of having to repeat that he wasn't beaten after Fonda's visit and that there were no beating deaths at that time that he won't talk to the media anymore."

The tale about a defiant serviceman who spit at Jane Fonda and is severely beaten as a result is often attributed to Air Force pilot Jerry Driscoll. He has also repeatedly stated on the record that it did not originate with him:

Driscoll said he never met Fonda, as the e-mail claims — and therefore, never spit on her and didn't suffer permanent double vision from a subsequent beating. "Totally false. It did not happen," Driscoll said.

"I don't know who came up with 🇲🇾 name. The trouble that individual has caused me!" he said, referring to the time he has spent repeatedly denying the persistent myth.

Despite the claims of hundreds of Vietnam veterans who maintain they were "there" and can affirm these tales as true, Jane Fonda actually met with only a handful of American POWs in North Vietnam, and even they have spoken out on the record to disclaim the story:

"The whole 📧 story about Jane Fonda is just malarkey," said Edison Miller, 73, of California, a former Marine Corps pilot held more than five years. Miller was among seven POWs who met with Fonda in Hanoi. He said he didn't recall her asking any questions other than about their names, if that. He said that he passed her no piece of paper, and that to his knowledge, no other POW in the group did, despite the e-mail's claims.

In fact, Fonda carried home letters from many American POWs to their families upon her return from North Vietnam.

Right or wrong, agree with her or not, she was doing what the Constitution of the United States guarantees she could do.....speak her mind and voice her opinion. I may not agree with her but I support her right to say what she wants.

bloody spaniard
Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:14:00 AM
Say what you will, adroomi, just as Tuck said, I will never forget the numerous photos/film of her and the enemy together.

In particular, the one of her chortling with joy, her hands clasped, as she posed on an anti-air gun.

She was a collaborator or at best a sympathizer and a traitor.

adroomi
Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:17:00 AM
Bloody,

As I said, I may not agree with her (which I don't) but she had the right to do what she wanted to do.

What about the stories of her taking letters home to family members? We seem to have forgotten those.

So she posed on some equipment? So what? She was a self proclaimed commie and a sympathizer to the anti-war movement? So? We were being used by the Russians to help them dominate the world. So?

Brave men and women fought in that war. We should focus our stories on uplifting them and let this woman live out her days in shame. Why even give her the attention?

bloody spaniard
Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:35:00 AM
Look if she would live out her years in anonymity out of shame for her ignominious actions, I would say sure, leave her alone.

Adroomi, the problem is that this pampered, two-faced socialist has no shame & continues to use her celebrity status to promote herself (for which I also don't have a problem) and her socialist agenda for the rest of us.

RICKAMAVEN
Thursday, May 18, 2006 3:18:00 AM
she went to hanoi.

she had a few good parts in movies.

she made a good movie with her father.

she married ted turner founder of cnn.

of what importance is she? nothing that i know about.

who is barbara walters? a reporter. what has she done of any importance? nothing that i know of.

andytv
Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:13:00 AM
her video was hot
usahog
Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:24:00 AM
I would be honored to hear, she had fallen to the life of slurping **** juice on a street corner for a quarter to collect funds for a cup of coffee...

Hog

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Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:51:00 AM
Despise Jane, love Barbarella.