usahog
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Wednesday, June 7, 2006 7:18:00 AM
This morning I'm taking the Mrs. to work, and pass by the capitol building here in town.. and see about a dozen protesters holding signs and standing out front of the capitol... (this is something I could have went all year without seeing) anyways one of them is holding a sign that says (Our Guard is losing $368 a month being on active duty) I'm thinking to myself.. WTF.. how are they losing money being on active duty?

Illinois pays 100% College Tuition with a Kicker for 6 yrs enlistment of $700+ for full time students...

Now when someone in the Guard is on AD (Active Duty) they are paid according to their rank + yrs of service... plus they also receive other beni's if married with dependents they get Monthly BAS and BAQ which is housing and food allowances for these members... If shipped into a war zone they also get Hazardious Duty Pay... So I cannot see where they are losing money being on active duty and I almost stopped to ask this person where they were getting their information?? (I'm glad I didn't) but I figured I could make this post and Adroomi could explain it to me/us?

Hog

MACS
Wednesday, June 7, 2006 7:29:00 AM
Some of the guardsmen i've been talking to get full per diem too.

We (AD) don't.

We're getting a partial ($3.50 a day) plus some other pay (save pay is what it says on my leave and earnings statement) for poor air quality?

Whatever. It's more money and i'll take it.

tailgater
Wednesday, June 7, 2006 7:31:00 AM
I thought "poor air quality" referred to smoking cheap cigars...
adroomi
Wednesday, June 7, 2006 7:36:00 AM
Hog,

I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic or not. I'm assuming you were.

Regardless...I'll chime in since you asked:

$368 per month is the average amount that US Government employees lose when activated as Guard or Reservists. A democrat from Illinios.....(one of OUR boys) has been fighting it for years.....

here's a copy and paste:

The Senate yesterday agreed to make sure federal employees serving in the National Guard and Reserve don't lose pay when they are activated.

It also agreed to expand benefits for the families of soldiers killed, regardless of whether the deaths occurred in combat.

The measures were added to an $80.6 billion emergency-spending bill to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and other costs. They are among a series of Democratic amendments that have been politically awkward for Republicans eager to show support for troops, but also looking to contain costs.

On Tuesday, Republicans defeated a proposal to add $2 billion for veterans health care. But yesterday , several members of the GOP majority voted to go along with Democratic proposals.

The amendment to make up the salary difference for federal employees activated for National Guard or Reserve duty was approved in a voice vote after a Republican attempt to derail it failed 61-39.

Its prospects of becoming law are uncertain. The Senate bill will have to be reconciled with an $81.4 billion version of the spending bill the House approved last month. In recent years, House-Senate negotiators quietly have stripped similar provisions from other legislation, said Sen. Richard J. Durbin, Illinois Democrat, the amendment's sponsor.

Mr. Durbin said about 120,000 U.S. government employees serve in the Guard or Reserve and, when activated, they lose an average of $368 per month, the difference between their civilian and military pay. He said pay issues are a main reason members of the Guard and Reserve don't re-enlist.

But Sen. Ted Stevens, Alaska Republican, said Guard and Reserve members understand the financial implications of serving when they enlist. Paying federal employees their full salary would make them higher-paid than regular service members, which could harm morale, he said.

Mr. Durbin's office said making up the pay difference would cost about $170 million over five years.

For soldiers who die in combat zones, the Bush administration proposed an increase in death benefits. Sen. John Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat, won a voice vote to extend those greater benefits to include soldiers whose deaths are not combat-related.

"You can be driving a car and have a car accident in a combat zone and you qualify for that upper-level [death benefit]," Mr. Kerry said of the administration's proposal. "But if you're serving on an aircraft carrier or elsewhere, and you're training personnel, and you die ... you don't get the same benefit, even if you're preparing to send troops to war."

A Republican effort to set Mr. Kerry's amendment aside was defeated 75-25.

Mr. Stevens argued that "fallen heroes" should be entitled to greater death benefits than service members who die in drunken-driving accidents in the United States.

Republicans also agreed in a voice vote to a Kerry proposal to let the families of soldiers killed in action stay in military housing for up to a year after the soldiers die, instead of the current 180 days

MACS
Wednesday, June 7, 2006 7:53:00 AM
I'm sorry adroomi, but I don't buy it.

The folks in the guard and reserves sign up, just like we do. When they get activated, do they deserve more money than their equivalent active duty ranks make?

No. They don't. If they lose money by being activated, it sucks, but they shouldn't have signed up.

I have also seen the flip side of it. We have a NYC Police LT here right now who is getting his military pay AND his civilian pay. Dude has saved $77,000 in 8 months.

Sorry, but I don't see the need to make up the difference.

usahog
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Wednesday, June 7, 2006 7:56:00 AM
"I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic or not. I'm assuming you were."

I Was being sarcastic...

Hog

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Wednesday, June 7, 2006 8:08:00 AM
there are others who would love those Federal Jobs and are still in a position to move someone over for one of those jobs...

I was a Federal Employee for 15 yrs and guard member for 18 1/2 yrs.. every time I was asked to serve Active Duty for my Country (4 tours)(5 if you count State activation for the flood of 93)I didn't check my bank finances first... and we had what you call cashing in your vacation time 6 hrs a pay period X 26 pays to keep your federal pay coming.. along with weekends and holidays not counting into that time loss...

I think we've got ourselves a bunch of "Whiners" with clout pushing strings in Washington... I also think this extra money could be directed to better care for our returning wounded/sick Veterans.. you know the one's who cannot keep the war machine oiled any longer and are now forgotten about in the system...

Hog

zoinks
Wednesday, June 7, 2006 10:21:00 AM
Well, since they want the same pay whether they are activated or not, then their Guard pay should be deducted from their paychecks when they aren't activated.

If their monthly pay in their federal job is $4000, and their weekend drill gives them $425, then their monthly pay should be $3575 and not $4000.

Then, when they are activated, their Guard pay is $3632 and they are paid $368 for their federal job.

Simple enough...of course they get screwed more than they don't get screwed, but if they want the same pay when they are activated, that's the way it should be.

I always looked at the "pay cut" as my fee for not being on active duty.

lofty1
Wednesday, June 7, 2006 10:28:00 AM
this is why i didn't join the reserves or guard when i left the air force. i knew the risk. everyone does. i've seen people get reactivated. they weren't too happy sometimes. they knew it could happen. they are gambling on it never happening. sucks to lose such a sucker bet. if you're doing it for the service, great. if you're doing it for the money, be careful. you just might be screwing yourself.
MACS
Wednesday, June 7, 2006 10:36:00 AM
Bingo, Mr. lofty1.

Give that man a ceegar.

RICKAMAVEN
Wednesday, June 7, 2006 10:37:00 AM
when i was seperated after 3 years and 8 months i still had 4 years and 4 months of reserve.

i was asked by many permanent men to "please don't join the active reserve, we have had enough of you."

usahog
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Wednesday, June 7, 2006 10:59:00 AM
Macs.. I know your getting close to retirement and are thinking about life as a civie soon... just make sure your not transfered to the ready reserves with another year or two added onto your enlistment as inactive reserve... this will be in your paperwork as you go through your retirement process...

Hog