gary96
  • gary96
  • Connoisseur Topic Starter
11 years ago
I posted this in the newbie section and was told I should post it in the general area, since many of the vets don't look in the newbie section.

I have a question regarding the pepper taste of some cigars. In the past I have done the nicotine gum and tablets to quit cigarette smoking. They have a definate pepper taste. This is the taste of nicotine. I was wondering if the pepper taste I sometimes get from a cigar, the taste of the tobacco or the taste of nicotine? I was wondering if there was a relationship? Anybody know?
ZRX1200
11 years ago
Noob section???

I like pancakes
kittylitterFTW
11 years ago
umm, pretty sure the pepper comes from the capcion they add to the cigars. . .


I like to add salt to mine.
Oscar
11 years ago
add a little tobasco if you want more pepper flavor
bs_kwaj
11 years ago

I posted this in the newbie section and was told I should post it in the general area, since many of the vets don't look in the newbie section.

I have a question regarding the pepper taste of some cigars. In the past I have done the nicotine gum and tablets to quit cigarette smoking. They have a definate pepper taste. This is the taste of nicotine. I was wondering if the pepper taste I sometimes get from a cigar, the taste of the tobacco or the taste of nicotine? I was wondering if there was a relationship? Anybody know?

gary96 wrote:



This isn't really a cigar forum. You need to discuss something else.



[sarcasm]
kittylitterFTW
11 years ago

Noob section???

I like pancakes

ZRX1200 wrote:




You don't have access to the n00b section?

Its across the hall, behind that door with a little woman on it.


Victor is the chief moderator.




I like bacon
tonygraz
11 years ago
Pumpkin pancakes at IHOP now. I hear they are better with pepper.
Bur
  • Bur
  • Herf-A-Holic
11 years ago
🤦

Good to see the azzhattery has followed this thread to it's new home.

And pumpkin pancakes with pepper is just wrong.

As wrong as eating crepes.
sd72
11 years ago
It may contribute to it. There's plenty of stronger cigars that don't really give much nicotine, most of the LFD in the recent past seem to not give a nic kick but are pretty peppery. Tatuaje verocu are not peppery, actually pretty smooth, and can give you a boost.
It probably has more to do with the type, and priming of the leaf(s) in the blend. Maybe how long it was fermented/aged/cured/stored before you actually get to smoking it.
gary96
  • gary96
  • Connoisseur Topic Starter
11 years ago
Thanks for the positive reply, SD72.
Now that I quit smoking cigarettes and pumping that crap into my lungs, I was wondering about the nicotine side of the issue, which you can get through the mouth. I figured I might as well track down low versus high nicotine cigars. I just remember the pepper taste of the gum and wondered if I steered away from cigars that talk of pepper I might also lower my nictotine....providing it is related. Thanks again!
cacman
11 years ago
So if I don't taste pepper in my cigar there isn't any nicotine?

Low vs High nicotine cigars? They make "light" cigars now?
sd72
11 years ago
Or your taste buds could be shot from the kitty litter shooters you've been drinking.
99cobra2881
11 years ago
Nicotine causes cigarette smokers to light up more often. Cigars smokers smoke because the cigars we smoke have nuances and flavors not 'cause we gots to have a smoke.

I could be wrong but I didn't think nicotine was a big deal for cigar smokers? I know it's present in cigars and in large amounts due to the size of the cigar but other than being a stimulant is it harmful?
DrMaddVibe
11 years ago
On second thought...you shouldn't even post this here either.


Wait...strike that...reverse it.
robertsccr5
11 years ago

I posted this in the newbie section and was told I should post it in the general area, since many of the vets don't look in the newbie section.

I have a question regarding the pepper taste of some cigars. In the past I have done the nicotine gum and tablets to quit cigarette smoking. They have a definate pepper taste. This is the taste of nicotine. I was wondering if the pepper taste I sometimes get from a cigar, the taste of the tobacco or the taste of nicotine? I was wondering if there was a relationship? Anybody know?

gary96 wrote:



Which cigar? How young?

Have you researched ammonia in cigars?
delta1
11 years ago
Never used nicotine gum or tablets but found they contain peppermint oil, an artificial sweetener and menthol, and that may be the source of the peppery flavor in those products. That is a sweet peppermint flavor found in the candy and gum shelves, which is different from the "pepper" flavor associated with cigars. Pepper flavor in cigars is more like the pepper that is in the spice rack: black, white, cayenne, chili. And pepper in cigars is distinguished from spice flavors: cinnamon, licorice, anise, cumin, nutmeg. So "spicy" does not mean "peppery" when talking about cigar smoke.

Some cigars, like the Cu-Avana Pvnisher Intenso, are actually coated or infused with capsaicin or other form of pepper oils to deliver a burn to the lips and tongue and to impart additional pepper flavor. I often put the cut head of a cigar on my tongue to get a pre-light taste of the tobacco and usually taste pepper and get a slight burn, so it seems to me that unburned tobacco can taste and feel peppery. Once lit, however different cigars produce different flavors, and pepper is only one flavor in the "taste spectrum."

Even though a the cigar's tobacco may taste peppery on the tongue, it may not produce a pepper flavor in the smoke. The variety of types of tobacco and places where it is grown, the amount of time the leaves are aged/fermented, the part of the plant the leaves were taken from, the climate and soil composition in the region where the tobacco is grown, techniques used during fermentation all yield tobaccos that produce smoke that has a unique flavor profile.

Everybody has a unique palate, so you may detect some flavors in a cigar's smoke which I don't. And there are some flavors that I appreciate more than others, and they are different from other people's "sweet spot flavors." Personally, I don't taste a lot of cigar smoke flavors in my mouth, unlike many other cigar smokers. The method I use to "taste" (smell, sense?) the subtle and nuanced flavors of cigars is by the retrohale, where I slowly let the smoke drift through my sinuses and out the nose.

Here's a link to a "flavor wheel" that has included the various types of flavors that have been detected in cigar smoke. Some cigars may produce only 2-3 of them, while others may produce 5-6 at various stages of the cigar's burn. The more flavors produced, the more complex the cigar.
http://www.cigarinspector.com/cigars-101/cigar-flavor-components 
gary96
  • gary96
  • Connoisseur Topic Starter
11 years ago
Thanks, Delta.
I am understanding the taste and all the flavors. On the Nicotine tablets I had, it specifically stated that the pepper taste was from the nicotine. I had an Ave Marie this afternoon. The first half didn't have any pepper taste to it. The second half did and I could sense the nicotine at the end. Last week I had a Jamie Garcia and I know that packed some nicotine. I unfortunately do not remember a pepper taste. I know I liked that cigar though!
I just got my shipment today and I got last week's special of 5 Vegas Series A Animal. No pepper until the very end. It was getting down to the nub and I put it out more because of the heat versus any pepper taste. I really can't say it was loaded with nicotine. I think I am just going to have to test all these cigars and try and remember which ones seem heavy with nicotine and if there was any pepper taste with it. Tough duty, but someone has to research this project!
banderl
11 years ago
So where exactly is this nood section located?
delta1
11 years ago
#2 and ^....He was referring to the "Newbies Info: Please Read" thread...he posed the question there...Bur and 99cobra were gracious enough to respond and I suggested he post a new topic about this since this could be an interesting exchange, and so he would get a proper welcome...

http://www.cigarbid.com/Forum/c/posts/612357/NEWBIES-INFO-PLEASE-READ-v-2-1-3 
QMPASH
11 years ago

Never used nicotine gum or tablets but found they contain peppermint oil, an artificial sweetener and menthol, and that may be the source of the peppery flavor in those products. That is a sweet peppermint flavor found in the candy and gum shelves, which is different from the "pepper" flavor associated with cigars. Pepper flavor in cigars is more like the pepper that is in the spice rack: black, white, cayenne, chili. And pepper in cigars is distinguished from spice flavors: cinnamon, licorice, anise, cumin, nutmeg. So "spicy" does not mean "peppery" when talking about cigar smoke.

Some cigars, like the Cu-Avana Pvnisher Intenso, are actually coated or infused with capsaicin or other form of pepper oils to deliver a burn to the lips and tongue and to impart additional pepper flavor. I often put the cut head of a cigar on my tongue to get a pre-light taste of the tobacco and usually taste pepper and get a slight burn, so it seems to me that unburned tobacco can taste and feel peppery. Once lit, however different cigars produce different flavors, and pepper is only one flavor in the "taste spectrum."

Even though a the cigar's tobacco may taste peppery on the tongue, it may not produce a pepper flavor in the smoke. The variety of types of tobacco and places where it is grown, the amount of time the leaves are aged/fermented, the part of the plant the leaves were taken from, the climate and soil composition in the region where the tobacco is grown, techniques used during fermentation all yield tobaccos that produce smoke that has a unique flavor profile.

Everybody has a unique palate, so you may detect some flavors in a cigar's smoke which I don't. And there are some flavors that I appreciate more than others, and they are different from other people's "sweet spot flavors." Personally, I don't taste a lot of cigar smoke flavors in my mouth, unlike many other cigar smokers. The method I use to "taste" (smell, sense?) the subtle and nuanced flavors of cigars is by the retrohale, where I slowly let the smoke drift through my sinuses and out the nose.

Here's a link to a "flavor wheel" that has included the various types of flavors that have been detected in cigar smoke. Some cigars may produce only 2-3 of them, while others may produce 5-6 at various stages of the cigar's burn. The more flavors produced, the more complex the cigar.
http://www.cigarinspector.com/cigars-101/cigar-flavor-components 

delta1 wrote:



The "Punisher" is well-named. It does exactly that. Maybe some day somwe enterprising cigar manufacturer will add Habeneros or Ghost Peppers to their tobacco. As Samuel Goldwyn used to say,"Include me out." ✋
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