i have watched this "debate" for several hours.

if a test was required to vote, there ought to be a test to see if you are more then a mouth, to be a congressman.

damn i forgot to mention what the debate is about.

it's about the coming election in november and the republicans want the country to know they can salute better then the democrats can, even though the administration leaders never served in the military.

they are called chicken hawks.

ummm.......let me be the first to say.....

What the hell are you talking about?

Koo Koo...

Rick is angry that the republicans are having a vote on whether or not to leave Iraq on a set timetable (a very dumb move as it tells you enemies when you are going to quit).

The liberals that lied us into the war (when they voted for it and lied about wanting to fight terrorism) don’t want to be put on record so they can keep lying and playing both sides.

They need to do this as they have no actual ideas to run on.

Rick wants them to be able to do this so they get elected.

He wants them to be elected because they have zero ideas and he is able to understand all of them.

He needs to try to spin it otherwise for the same reasons.

Anyone notice that the two critical cabinet posts in Iraq were filled withing HOURS of Al Zarqawi getting offed? This is a pretty good sign of the folks trying to form a coalition (unified) government there getting a "Quid Pro Quo" If the Shi'a honchos will dismantle their death squads there is an OUTSTANDING chance that this whole thing will get resolved. If we bail before that can hhappen. the whole thing will disintegrate into Afghanistan in the late 80's, and some version of the Taliban will come out on top.

Anyone hear about Al Zarqawi letter they found??

The one where he complains that he is loosing on all fronts and that the Americans will not be scared away (no thanks to the dems like Murtha and company). He also laments the lack of mountains to hide in and states that the only way to win in Iraq might be to start a bigger war elsewhere to draw the US away.

ABC left that out? CBS too? What a shock.

Let's examine CWFoster's analysis of the situation for possible hints of things to come.

"critical cabinet posts in Iraq were filled withing HOURS of Al Zarqawi getting offed."

This is positive. If, in the next three years, we manage to blow up a three block area and find an intact head and torso, we'll get a few more valuable cabinet appointees (assuming they don't get vaporized in the process).

"If the Shi'a honchos will dismantle their death squads there is an OUTSTANDING chance that this whole thing will get resolved."

Yea, it's as if folks are stumbling around unaware that we have laid the foundation for another radical Islamic government in the middle east; from a secular death squad government, to an ecclesiastical death squad government. No wonder American Evangelicals are so ecstatic with hope.

"the Taliban will come out on top."

You mean they already haven't?

andytv

i guess you missed the big debate.

rugrunner

i'll bet that like the BS about the video of the vietnam vets discussing what had taken place in vietnam the the american public was unaware of, that you never saw, or at least you ne3ver responded to my question, you probably did not watch any of the debate today, but you have alaready ormed a opinion about what went on and why.

again with oiut knowing what you are talking about, you have decised what i did or did not like aboput the debate which you don't know anything about.

how easy it must be to form opinions with no foundations in fact and blurt them out as though you were informed.

by the way, your commander in chief got us into this wa by lying through his teeth as he is prone to do. sometimes he can lie while he is standing also.

man thats just ....wow..unbelievable rugrunner,how did you get that info?you know this whole dang mess,I cant help but say even if we do succeed who"s to say 6mos or one year later the peace would stay?Im afraid it"ll be the same old mess,and all those peoples lives will have died in vain.You know I use to put up my flag out on memorial day,flag day, july4th,and veterns day,now I fly that bad boy everyday now.Regardless how we all feel about this war,its mans inhumanity to his fellow man,that should weigh on us first.

It's only in vain if we leave a mess. If, on the other hand, we leave a well ordered, stable society, it will have been well worth it. While one might reasonably debate whether it was prudent to invade Iraq, I find the certainty with which some prophecy doom to be rather interesting. The last chapter in this story has yet to be written, but Dr. P apparently knows how it will inevitably end. Perhaps he could do us all a favor and begin posting the winning lotto numbers a week in advance.

wjmiskelly

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dr p is basing his prophecy on a history of religious violence in that region that goes back a very long time.

all those religious fanatics hate each other now the way they did 100 years ago. they have no reason to change now just because we wish it so. if we stayed there ten years, within a year afer we left they would be back killing each other.

man your so right on that one rick,the combination of religious fanatics,and the hatred the world has for the usa,its a mixture that well ,dangerous to say the least,Im not advocating cut and run,but I think your delusional, probaly mispelled, if you think peace will ever come to the region.And africa will be your next middle east war zone

"dr p is basing his prophecy on a history of religious violence in that region that goes back a very long time."

While history does give a good indication of what problems we might be dealing with, it is not a sure predictor of outcomes. In 1939, or for that matter 1945, no one would have predicted the Japan we see today.

"all those religious fanatics hate each other now the way they did 100 years ago. they have no reason to change now just because we wish it so. if we stayed there ten years, within a year afer we left they would be back killing each other."

Specifically which religious fanatics? Jews and Moslems? Shia and Sunni? Why not simply say that people have a tendency to hate their neighbors and frequently try to kill them? Right now we have a sovereign government that wants our support - should we deny them that support? Would you similarly say that we should refrain from intervening in the Sudan because they'll just go back to killing each other as soon as we leave anyway? Were we right to stay out of Rwanda for the same reason? Maybe we should have stayed out of WWI and WWII - the Europeans have a long history of killing each other.

Rick, re #10

Sounds like your theory of the 2004 election to me.

How difficult it must me to have to ignore the facts you see and invent your own to suit your needs.

Mulvaney,

People said the same thing about Germany and Japan. They were just as wrong as you.

Of course, we don't know that. We don't know what Iraq will look like 10, 20, or 50 years from now. It might look a bit like Europe, or possibly more like Somalia. Only time will tell.

very nicely stated view wj.I agree with quite a bit with what you said.Included in my prayers before I sit down to eat,or anytime I see,or read something horrific where people are dying in such inexcusable ways I say to the lord, please help cure us of our mistreatment to our fellow man. may we all get along and love each other,Im slowly losing faith in my fellow man,Im just tryin to be as honest as I can,maybe thats why I dropped out of the world so to speak and live here in the middle of nowhere,atleast I have some peace.Its not that I hate people I just feel so much better when their not around. But I try to still care just not as much as I should

Your fellow man is the wrong place to put your faith. That's the sort of faith you ought to lose.