The details of Bush’s Baghdad junket are similar to his trip to England last year, when he was surrounded by a phalanx of 3,500 fully-armed security guards who shadowed his every move from the time he touched down until the final lift-off. All the while, a squadron of Apache helicopters and F-16s kept circling overhead to ensure the Dear Leader’s safety. Providing security in Iraq has been an equally daunting task.

Your point being that the President is given better protection than the troops?

i think 3500 guards is a bit much. no president before has been so scared ****less he required a brigade to protect him.

andytv

are you rea;;y so fixated on the dear leader that nothing he does is wrong in your mind?

andytv

are you rea;;y so fixated on the dear leader that nothing he does is wrong in your mind?

Rick...........who did you vote for? Kerry??????..............how do you think HE would handle all this hmmmmm?..........any better???? They're all f'n morons .......you do realize that don't you?

Rick are you so fixated of trying to find fault with the president that rationale and relevance take back seat in your list of priorities?

Obsessive compulsion is a disease Rick, regardless of the chosen subject.

Rick,

I am not the least bit fixated on Bush. I voted for him, and I support him in some regards; but that certainly does not entitle you to paint a straightjacket on me.

In fact......the only time I even really think of him is when I am reminded by your posts.

YO Rick:

"andytv

are you rea;;y so fixated on the dear leader that nothing he does is wrong in your mind?"

You of "ALL PEOPLE" accusing someone else of being "fixated" on President George W. Bush...BAAAAAHAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

JonR

PS: That was a goodin Rick, you funny!

"i think 3500 guards is a bit much. no president before has been so scared ****less he required a brigade to protect him."

Rick,

I don't recall ever hearing about LBJ or Nixon taking a tour into Vietnam during that war? I don't recall ever hearing/reading about Rosevelt making a trip to Germany or England for that matter during WWII?

Clinton didn't make a trip into Serbia during his "Quagmire Air Campaign Only"

and how many guards did Bush Senior have when he made the trip to Kuwait after the 91 gulf war?

As far as the Air Support from "squadron of Apache helicopters and F-16s kept circling overhead to ensure the Dear Leader’s safety."

These type Air Supports are flying around the clock over there and called in at a moments notice to any event that are deemed necessary... Read the report on Al Zarqawi ;0)

Hog

Now about our troops body armor.. that was a major ordeal to hurry up and ship this body armor to the troops (what company made this crap?) (Not to be confused with Andy's companys Vehicle Armor) over 90% of the body armor that was rushed out to our troops prooved to be faulty and was recalled... the replacement aromor Some of them have now is way to bulky and most prefer not to wear it because they fear it will cause them to be a casualty rather then protect them... many of them leave it at their bunks...

Hog

hog

some parents have purchased with their own money a type of armor that the men in iraq found to be comfortable and safer the the military. the armor was shipped to their sons and the military would not let them wear the protecion.

what does this have to do with dear leader needing 3500 bodyguards to visit england when there is no battle going on in england, and they are our partner in this war.

ericsgr

as you guessed i voted for the lesser of the f'n morons.

would he have handled it better, i can only surmise from the backgrounds of the two. kerry goes into battle, and don't even bring up the swit boat propganda BS, and bush goes to texas on a pass and then goes awol.

i think kerry would have handled it better.

andytv

sorry, i didn't mean to do that straight jacket thing.

do you think the war in iraq was called for?

JonR finally said something that made sense. i am fixated and obsessed by the dear leader.

jeb has amassed a war chest approaching $2,000,000.00 so i may have another bush to piss and moan about next term.

Rick,

These Soldiers Parents Ordered and shipped the same body armor that was recalled.. WTF.. doesn't anyone read/watch the news any longer? there is a Congressional investigation into this body armor issue and aimed at the company(s) who were manufacturing the crap...

Rick, can you tell me/us when the next Terrorist Strike is going to be?

I'll give you this one... If these Terrorists knew of your location and knew where the President was going to be.. which one would be a higher Target Value?

Hog

Beautifully stated hog. But judging by the fact that the poster is a moving target all over the map, this is not a factual debate, nor is logic admissible. Someone is looking to merely vent their emotions.

Rick,

A war chest of 2,000,000. isn't enough for a state senator race. Christ, I could snort 2,000,000. worth in a week.

I'd probably have a real sore nose.

Rick, you do realize the Secret Service plans and provides the protection for the President, right? You do realize Bush had nothing to do with said protection, right?

Rick

I was just wondering how far left of the fence are you???

I watched Star Wars the other day, your journey into the left.......or DARK side of things, makes me want to ask if you are an evil Sith Lord????????

DARTH MAVEN????

Drathaar,

Realistically, Bush could influence the design of the security force......or he could simply request 3500 troops and a dozen choppers.

It doesn't matter. The point (that I believe) Rick is trying to make is that 3500 troops seems excessive when the men in immediate danger are in need of improved body armor.

My response would simply be......

1) You cannot make the determination that this type of security detail is excessive because it is a quite unique situation......very difficult to determine what exactly IS appropriate....so they went "all out".

2) Yes......our boys need better equipment (like every other war we have ever been in). I know that upgrades are in the works, but these things take time to do right.

the two really have nothing to do with each other........you have been baited into debating an irrelevant inference.