http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/30/iraq.main/index.html 

Good to see some of our fine troops acting no better than the terrorists. It's a shame, so many honorable soldiers protecting our country...having their reputations tarnished by these monsters.

Mike, there is no detail in this story. All it says is there's going to be an investigation, that's all.

The title of the thread and the body of the post makes me think your words of suport for the troops are less then honest. That's too bad.

Honestly Bill, I love this country..and I support the troops with all my heart. But this is the second time something like this has happened (if indeed it did happen). Granted, it's just an investigation, but I'ld bet a good sum of money this turns out to be true. Do you not agree that there are some "soldiers" over there who are just bloodthirsty, trigger-happy and looking to take out some "ragheads"?

It's just a shame in my opion that they tarnish the reputation of our country. It's no wonder a lot of innocent Iraqi people over there want us out.

If that's true you'd throw them and us under the bus to advance you stereotype of the "redneck" element in the military.

I know the military get hundreds of false claims of soldiers causing destruction and death in Iraq every week. The military compensates people financially for such claims. Almost all go away once the military starts to investigate (because the claims are false).

We do the same thing in peaceful areas (Germany etc) I have talked to guys that have served there that said they saw farmers herding their animals if front of tanks etc to get the money (it seems that the Us military overpays for dead chicken, cows, etc not just toilet seats...).

Your rush to judgment (backed up by your betting that they are guilty with not a shred of evidence) shows an anti troops bias at some level. Why you chose the title "Amerika" show another. Sorry.

Have you ever seen HBO's "Band of Brothers"? If not you should.

There is a scene in which they are taking a small French town. They come to a store front and one soldier is going to throw a grenade in to clear the room before entering. The other soldier kicks open the door and reveals a family hiding on the floor of the shop.

In another scene a soldier hears a noise from a shed in the back courtyard of a building that he had just cleared. He calls out and after no response shots several times at the shed and moves along.

Either of these incidents could have been murders (had the guy thrown the grenade) in Iraq today. So to jump to the conclusion that they are guilty is really unfair. I was in the 82nd airborne for several years. We talked a lot of trash about killing people (even sang songs about it as we ran) but i never met anyone that I thought wanted to kill anyone just for fun or to "get them a raghead".

Maybe your experience is different? I assume you are basing that opinion on some concrete experience or information you have? If not you really need to grow up and think seriously about your stereotypes and biases, and where they come from and why you have them.

Yo mraven13:

So you declare them guilty without so much as a court marshall being awarded, huh. You every been in a war, or in the military? When you turn a corner of a building while on patrol you have 1/2 a second to decide whether he is a good muslim or a raghead, make the wrong decision and "you are dead", better safe then sorry. Yeah you support the troops,yeah right.

JonR

PS: Stick to your cyberspace fights and let the real men handle the wars.

WTG JonR.....agree with you....nobody loves war, but if you have to go you do get exposed to some awful vile things.

Charlie

Cannot draw any conclusions from that report.......could be a pissing battle between elements within our ranks (Barnes vs Elias).

In MY OWN opinion, it seems absurd for CNN to report this.......there are absolutely NO CONFIRMED FACTS in their report, so it is just propaganda.

Rugrunner,

Tell me it ain't so! You sang bad songs when you were running? Damn military, I bet they taught you to swear too...olive drab bastids.

I suppose I'd be a racist if that guy that just had to pass me and get in front of me before the exit, and then take the exit at 25 (instead of 55) would have been anything but white, so I'm glad he was. He was an assflap, not all whites are assflaps, and not all people that drive little pansy purple foreign built cars are assflaps, but this guy was. Maybe he was in the military and just got out, if that's the case, he was an assflap vet but he wouldn't give all vets a bad name.

Now, si j'avais un lanceur (as Bruce would say), he would have taken one final exit, that's for sure, and he weren't even in a helicopter. But I'm not in the military so it wouldn't give them a bad name.

Rugrunner: Don't like his opinions and politics. Am on the polar opposite end of the spectrum from him in most respects. But he shows intelligence and the ability to debate. I respect him.

JonR: Ignorant fool who resorts to name calling and insults and has about as much intellectual prowess as an eggplant. I have no respect for him whatsoever.

And JonR to show you I'm not picking cyberspace fights. I invite you to email me mr777nj @ aol dot com.

We can find a mutual place to meet...in real life. Not on the internet. And I will show you that I'm not all talk. I really would take great pleasure in shoving my foot straight up your ass.

Please email me...be a man.

Oh and as much as I support our troops. I also support the innocent people of Iraq. They deserve as much resepct and love as our troops do.

"Do you not agree that there are some "soldiers" over there who are just bloodthirsty, trigger-happy and looking to take out some "ragheads"?"

Nope I wouldn't agree to that above, But I will say we've got Soldiers who are pulling their 2-3-4th tours already and it will wear on them.. especially their family's back home... Many of our frontline soldiers have been diagnosed with PTSD from both the fighting and maybe recieving a dear John letter while deployed.. The Brass is ignoring these soldiers pleas and many have been waived back to the front lines to fill back in with their units and have been acused of Malingering, rather then caring for the soldiers welfare or the welfare of his co-workers... they only care about keeping the numbers!

Each and Every Soldier beit an age of 18-75 is trained professionally to be a prefessional. but sometimes the mind cannot keep up with the tempo...

Mraven, I didn't open your cnn clip above.. no need to.. but you really need to see the big picture before going off half cocked with an empty gun (media reports) on our military soldiers...

Hog

Hog, While I do agree with most of your post. Our government is indeed running these guys ragged..and ignoring their pscychological problems. Sending them back to the frontlines like that, smart move. It's

You should at least read the article before responding. Even if you disagree with the article or think it's a waste of ink. Inform yourself....then respond. That's all.

Ok I took your advice and read the article which then lead into another article and another... like this

U.S. probes report soldiers killed Iraqi family

Child victims

U.S. troops killed

Other developments

to read the entire page would leave anyone who's never been in uniform ready for Blood and these soldiers should be hung from the fingernails.. but reading through the page.. it's propaganda entirely...

lets wait and see what the investigations bring forward?

kinda like the investigation last month about the soldiers who killed civilians in northern Iraq..

while we wait mraven can I suggest a movie for you to watch? "Rules of Engagement" I know it's a movie/hollywood and all.. but I think it might help you shed some light on the media/propaganda and this article you posted...

No end in Sight!

Hog

Mike, kids don't like bedtimes either but they too are a fact of life.

Any comment on my questions to you or my opinion given.

I know that on the one hand you like to debate, but on the other hand you like to pick a fight better.

Mraven, I am beside myself no comment back? btw are you going to make the midwest herf mid july?

Your don't wanna miss my smiling face ;0:~~~

Hog

On the way to Joeys party I heard about this on the radio. The report I heard said that out of four guys one was already out of the Army, and was being sought by the police, and another had confessed. If THIS is the case (I'm thinking that one had a fit of remorse and fessed up, I think the one who fessed up should get life without parole, and the other three should be publicly executed in Baghdad to show the Iraqis that WE don't condone those practices! This would be a case of rape, and muliple murder, just to cover it up, possibly premeditated. We do NOT need these guys in our ranks!

My best friend has been in that hell hole middle east for 14 months now. From what he's told me about the place, it is hard to have ANY pity. I can't wait until we turn it all into strip malls and military bases.

zoinks, down at green ramp we heard the master plan,

gonna rape every woman, gonna kill every man.

Mraven, to suport the troops is to be on the side of the troops, not to bet they are wrong without facts.

I googled "Amerika" and now I understand more about mraven13 and his true clors.

www.amerika.org

JonR