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Speyside
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8 years ago

Curious about others opinions about this. I am on TW'S proverbial fence post about this.

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teedubbya
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8 years ago

Wear a rubber.

dstieger
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8 years ago

On what fence? What two opinions do you waver between?

Speyside
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8 years ago

1) Does this have 2nd amendment protection?
2) Does this open a door for unlimited non traceabile guns?
3) Which is more important, 1 or 2.

My thoughts run as follows. The second amendment takes precedent. Unlimited non traceabile guns is a bad idea.

dstieger
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8 years ago

So....I suppose that I haven't considered the issue that way.

Additive manufacturing blueprints for gun parts have been available for many years. I didn't realize this is news today....I'll take a look at recent discussions.

My take is that it would be totally impossible to prevent those prints from circulating. We can't even keep child porn from circulating. So, IMO, that genie is out of the bottle - someone that wants to make a gun is going to be able to -- I imagine that someone with some milling machines and lathes could probably make one from metal, too. What laws are preventing those?

I agree with your two points - 2nd amendment good; untraceable guns generally bad --- but, I am completely unaware of any tech or laws (written or considered) that might prevent this

Speyside
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8 years ago

There had been an ongoing legal issue about releasing plans onto the net. That was recently resolved in favor of allowing plans onto the net.

DrafterX
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8 years ago

Ram has a bat... 😟

dstieger
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8 years ago

IIRC, the initial legal restrictions to open source/sharing of prints revolved around two main risks: untrace-abililty and undetect-ability

I was always more concerned with the later; even the most extreme NRA-types have acknowledged that some restrictions on WHERE guns may be allowed is ok....airplanes, courthouses, etc.

However, not sure how anyone is going to legislate these out of existence ....or even out of mainstream accessibility. I'm open to listening to practical ideas -- but arguments about banning blueprints from open internet sites isn't likely to accomplish much of anything

dstieger
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8 years ago

Still reading news on this....however, this sentence in one article sidetracked me:

"Josh Blackman, an attorney representing Wilson, Defense Distributed’s founder, said he agreed to block Pennsylvanians from accessing the website to avoid a broader injunction."

Wow.....we're becoming China? Can states really block internet stuff that has been approved by feds? I'm a states rights guy, but ....only with a free internet

Speyside
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8 years ago

#10

Had not read that. That would be way to totalitarian.

dstieger
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8 years ago

#11

After reading/skimming a half dozen 'news' articles, my opinion hasn't changed from five years ago -- governments shouldn't attempt to control the blueprints, even if they think they can

But, I'm not opposed to looking for ways to require traceability and develop tech for detection

ZRX1200
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8 years ago

#12

MSM talking point of the day. Stay engaged where you're asked to......

Gene363
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8 years ago

#13

It's called freedom, embrace it with gusto.

It's super easy to make a simple firearm from hardware store materials using hand tools. Frankly, it's easier and cheaper than buying and setting up a 3D printer. With a little more work and again, hardware store materials, it's been done before, just google P.A. Luty.

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RMAN4443
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8 years ago

#14

dstieger wrote:

It's been done at least once that I know of.....:-" not sure what the laws are but I've been told it's highly illegal...8-[

something to do with it being unregistered, no serial numbers, and not having a gunsmithing license, no rifling in barrel, possibly other laws against it too...:-k

and I heard it takes quite awhile to machine and assemble it....lots of trial and error...not really worth the effort for a one shot pistol, but I bet it would be quite the learning experience, and pretty satisfying knowing it's possible to design and build a working, one shot pistol around a bullet....8-[

Speyside
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8 years ago

#15

Z, you are definitely consistent. Your dislike of the left is constant.

bgz
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8 years ago

#16

Good luck banning something that's already circulating in the wild.

Not possible, not even worth debating.

tailgater
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8 years ago

#17

I know a guy who used to machine parts for guns.
There is some kinda law (in new hampshire at least) where you can legally machine all of the gun parts except one. I think it's the barrel, but I forget.
He would sell the parts and people would supply their own barrels (or whatever part it was) and assemble themselves a real gun.

Untraceable.

Now, he could have machined the parts out of a ceramic. Or fortified plastic. Or TW's chia seed induced stool sample.

Today is no different. It's just easier and less expensive.

And access to a 3D printer is as easy as going to your local Maker Fair. Every region has about a dozen every year.

tailgater
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8 years ago

#18

Z, you are definitely consistent. Your dislike of the left is constant.

Speyside wrote:

I think it's sexy too.

ZRX1200
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8 years ago

#19

Tail, 80% lower receivers are untraceable and have to be finished by the customer. That's what's referred to as a ghost gun.

Spey, if you pay attention I'm not a big fan of the right either.

tailgater
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8 years ago

#20

Tail, 80% lower receivers are untraceable and have to be finished by the customer. That's what's referred to as a ghost gun.

ZRX1200 wrote:

Thank you.

I'm not a gun guy, but I found it fascinating there was such a gaping loophole.
And that was back around 2001 (I was with this guy the day the towers fell). Today it's just silly easy to make a gun.

Buy your ammo making supplies now, because the end result will be a massive tax and/or restrictions on bullets once DC realizes how uncontrollable this has become.

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