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stinger88
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

7 years ago

BOTL/SOTL

The wife has authorized me to purchase a wineador for my Valentine’s Day gift. I have done some research but can’t seem to pull the trigger. I am looking for something to store 400-500 cigars.

Do you have one? Likes/dislikes?

I will take whatever opinions you guys/gals have.

(And yes, I have coolerdors, humidors, and tuperdors already)

I want something nice and purty but still gets the job done.

Thanks,
David

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borndead1
Herf-A-Holic

7 years ago

I have two 28-bottle Vinotemps. Zero dislikes. They're still running strong after almost 10 years. If you really wanna shell out some coin, get an actual climate-controlled humidor. If not, get a 28-bottle Vinotemp. Mine hold anywhere from 15-18 boxes, depending on the size of the box. Get Spanish Cedar planks to cut into shelves. And make sure you get a temperature override controller. You can get one of those from any home brewing company.

stinger88
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

7 years ago

Thanks. Not that I am lazy but am looking to get it with all the drawers/shelves completed.

I will keep it on the list tho.

shaun341
Herf-A-Holic

7 years ago

I converted a 28 bottle Koldfront with 3 drawers and a shelf. Should have done 1 less drawer so I could store more boxes in it. I hear the already converted new air ones are pretty nice.

Only issue I run into is condensation will puddle in the bottom. I try bags of beads to use that water but it's too much at times. I have made a habit of wiping the bottom down every so often, and turning the cooler off certain times of the year.

borndead1
Herf-A-Holic

7 years ago

^ Your problem is beads. Switch to an electric humidifier and keep it set at around 65% and that condensation will go away.

NWStogie
Aficionado

7 years ago

I’ve had my NewAire CC-300 up & running for 2 years. It’s the humidor version that comes with SS shelves and drawers. Only two drawers, though, so I made SS drawers out of the other shelves. Ended up adding a few PC fans to improve air circulation. Super stable. Got it on sale for less than $300. Bought a used no-name cheapie thermoelectric wine fridge off of Craigslist and made more SS drawers as my collection expanded. It had better circulation from the stock fan. No need for additional fans. Both are working well. I’m using HF beads and silica KL. No condensation issues.

shaun341
Herf-A-Holic

7 years ago

^ Your problem is beads. Switch to an electric humidifier and keep it set at around 65% and that condensation will go away.

borndead1 wrote:

Never used an electric humidifier, any suggestions on one that works best? Been fighting this problem for years now and would love to have less maintenance.

NWStogie
Aficionado

7 years ago

An electric humidifier may not be the answer, unless it can remove humidity in addition to providing it. Condensation happens when warm air, which can hold more humidity, is cooled. It loses its ability to hold the humidity and the water vapor condenses. What’s the ambient temp of the room? An open door of a wineador can result in quite a bit of air exchange with the room, versus a top-opening coolidor. Is the drain hole plugged? Might be another source of ambient air exchange. I did some googling and see others have solved this. How full is your wineador? A full one has a better ability to buffer humidity changes and less air to exchange.

shaun341
Herf-A-Holic

7 years ago

NWStogie wrote:

Wineador is overfull, have to use a foot locker for overflow. Room temp is 75 unfortunately and I have plugged the hole even though I have heard mixed reviews on plugging the hole due to condensation but I couldn't keep the RH steady without doing so. The room it is stored in is the first duct off the main heat trunk so it is hotter than the rest of the house which is generally 70 degrees. I am open to anything at this point, keep adding beads and it isn't working ( probably have over $200 in beads in there).

NWStogie
Aficionado

7 years ago

#10

shaun341 wrote:

This happens over the summer to me with my toteadores. I rotate my (silica) KL in my toreadors with KL I’ve dessicated in the oven. The beads or KL can only soak up so much moisture. Seems to work ok. Is your wineador compressor or thermoelectric?

shaun341
Herf-A-Holic

7 years ago

#11

Thermoelectric, I don't think you can use the compressor ones cause they dry the air out I thought.

NWStogie
Aficionado

7 years ago

#12

Thermoelectric, I don't think you can use the compressor ones cause they dry the air out I thought.

shaun341 wrote:

Something like that, I think. I was thinking of a hot compressor motor heating up the ambient room temp near your wineador. I feel your pain, Brother. Weekly rotation of my KL really did the trick for me. But my toteadors are top opening and don’t get much air exchange.

shaun341
Herf-A-Holic

7 years ago

#13

Hmm I never thought of moving the beads around

NWStogie
Aficionado

7 years ago

#14

Hmm I never thought of moving the beads around

shaun341 wrote:

You can dehydrate the oversaturated beads or KL in your oven. Google will be your friend. Then swap the wet stuff out for the dry stuff.

borndead1
Herf-A-Holic

7 years ago

#15

Beads suck. Beads are your problem. I still don't understand why people love those stupid f**king beads so much. The ONLY time I have ever had a condensation problem, living in MI, IN, and CA is when I tried using beads. F**k beads, dude. Remove all humidification devices from your humis and let it adjust. Then get a couple of plain old rectangular foam humidifiers or an electric one (Hydra, Cigar Oasis) and set it to 60%. I use a plain old green foam humidifier in my 100-count humidor and the current humidity is...63%. I use Hydra electric humidifiers in my wineadors and the current humidity is...66% in one and 67% in the other. And that's with neither of them plugged in, because it's the cold/rainy season here.

mjrburn
Herf-A-Holic

7 years ago

#16

I want something nice and purty but still gets the job done.

stinger88 wrote:

I bought a 10cuft glass door humidor about 16 months ago, it's described as a 1000ct but I only have around 700 in it (of various sizes) and I consider it at max capacity. Takes up a 1.5' x 2' area of floor space and has a very nice appearance. So far, I have been able to maintain 64% +/- 1 and 67° +/- 2 in this cabinet with my home thermostat typically at 68°. I use, believe this or not, 2 foam rectangular humidifiers in the bottom storage drawer and 3 - 8 ounce black ice jars, one on each shelf, and fuel them all with distilled water... that's all, no beads or electronic humidifiers and no struggle. The part I love most, the cedar and tobacco smell is intoxicating every time I open the door, I love it. I would guess, with you living in a somewhat year round stable environment that this sort of setup would work just as care free for you. Just my 2 cents worth.

Pudding Mittens
Herf-A-Holic

7 years ago

#17

The wife has authorized me to purchase a wineador for my Valentine’s Day gift.

stinger88 wrote:

I can relate. The guy I see in the mirror everyday while I'm shaving has authorized me to purchase whatever the hell I feel like purchasing, forever.

That dude is awesome, seriously!

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