Whistlebritches
7 years ago
In cases like this why do we waste time and tax dollars keeping this less than human **** stain alive?I'm all for a long torturous death within 72 hours of the incident.


https://www.foxnews.com/us/suspect-in-california-synagogue-shooting-reportedly-inspired-by-new-zealand-mosque-killings 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/apr/28/john-earnest-synagogue-shooting-suspect-despised-z/?fbclid=IwAR0C88tNiMiduG9hCXsdq3qsP4-Jc63730u17FjEDq2J4LkeZZMch1QxihA 

Figured I better post these before the libs come along and tell us he was a Trump loving hate monger.In fact in his manifesto he expressed his hatred for Trump and conservatives along with his belief in white supremacy as well as gratitude and glorification of the New Zealand bomber and the attacker in the Pittsburgh Synagogue.


It's high time we stop trying to understand people like this and label them what they are.....TERRORIST.They should be given a terrorist execution as well as burial...…..as quickly as possible.
tonygraz
7 years ago
i've always been in favor of capital punishment, but not without an intensive review and verification of the person's guilt.
delta1
7 years ago
butt...didn't Trump say there were fine people on both sides?
delta1
7 years ago

i've always been in favor of capital punishment, but not without an intensive review and verification of the person's guilt.

tonygraz wrote:




too many instances of innocent people executed in our history to go all in on capital punishment...but it is these examples that whistle is describing, a POS who we KNOW committed an atrocity, that motivates us to keep it...
Gene363
7 years ago

butt...didn't Trump say there were fine people on both sides?

delta1 wrote:



No.
frankj1
7 years ago

In cases like this why do we waste time and tax dollars keeping this less than human **** stain alive?I'm all for a long torturous death within 72 hours of the incident.


https://www.foxnews.com/us/suspect-in-california-synagogue-shooting-reportedly-inspired-by-new-zealand-mosque-killings 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/apr/28/john-earnest-synagogue-shooting-suspect-despised-z/?fbclid=IwAR0C88tNiMiduG9hCXsdq3qsP4-Jc63730u17FjEDq2J4LkeZZMch1QxihA 

Figured I better post these before the libs come along and tell us he was a Trump loving hate monger.In fact in his manifesto he expressed his hatred for Trump and conservatives along with his belief in white supremacy as well as gratitude and glorification of the New Zealand bomber and the attacker in the Pittsburgh Synagogue.


It's high time we stop trying to understand people like this and label them what they are.....TERRORIST.They should be given a terrorist execution as well as burial...…..as quickly as possible.

Whistlebritches wrote:


so, my gut reaction is I'm all in with you...but as uncomfortable as it is for me to say (for obvious reasons) the only way you and I can be protected from a government with the power to rush to judgement and to preserve our rights is by guaranteeing the same protections to the ugliest tests of said rights.

It's easy to claim to be a great nation with a great set of rights when not tested to the extreme. The long process for this guy will be vomit inducing, but will help make sure you and I can't get railroaded.

and I appreciate your emotional support. once again.
Speyside
7 years ago
Ron, I share your sentiments, but Frank is correct. This is beyond my ability to understand. Human beings don't do this to human beings. I guess all I can say is tragedies like this sadden me deeply.
Whistlebritches
7 years ago

Ron, I share your sentiments, but Frank is correct. This is beyond my ability to understand. Human beings don't do this to human beings. I guess all I can say is tragedies like this sadden me deeply.

Speyside wrote:




I'd like to give this POS a Columbian necktie...………..and given the opportunity


I understand due process but in cases as clear cut as this......WHY???
delta1
7 years ago

butt...didn't Trump say there were fine people on both sides?

delta1 wrote:


No.

Gene363 wrote:



OK...he said there were "very fine people... on both sides"


https://www.politico.com/video/2017/08/15/trump-full-news-conference-at-trump-tower-following-charlottesville-violence-063764 
frankj1
7 years ago
[quote=Whistlebritches]I'd like to give this POS a Columbian necktie...………..and given the opportunity


I understand due process but in cases as clear cut as this......WHY???[/quote]
to separate us from and keep us above Russia, China, N. Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia...
it's very tempting.
frankj1
7 years ago
without due process there'd be even more nazi revisionist lies in the future
Speyside
7 years ago
Ron, for me it is very simple why. To keep us America. Also, I think we need to know if he is a lone wolf, or part of a group.
Ewok126
7 years ago
This is what happens when you have a Justin Bieber hairdo. I am glad I shave my head.

I am all for capital punishment but, Only with PROPER due process. To many times have people been killed just because the on viewing group of people think they know all the facts when in fact they don't due to assumptions or I should say emotional assumptions.

Ex: Extreme case but has happened. A man executed due to murdering his newborn child by throwing it off the balcony from the 26th floor of his building. He was seen getting the child walking out the balcony and without hesitation threw the newborn over the edge and splat then went to bed like it was nothing more than getting up to get a glass of water. Come to find out he had REM behavior disorder. A simple thing as not having sleep paralysis while dreaming meaning he can move, motivate, and act out while dreaming. He had no idea what he was doing. He was in fact asleep. Thing is a simple medication such as Clonazepam or even Melatonin eliminates the disorder about 90% of the time. So an innocent man was killed without proper due process all because people are too emotional to make a rational decision. I mean if you think about it. Only two fears any and every human is born with. Fear of loud sounds and falling. Any other fear is a taught trait. To know a newborn had to have been scared chitless for 26 story fall before death and to boot the child was an adorable little girl, helpless etc. The people was too emotional to even take the time to find out all of the facts before killing someone to answer for the child's horrible death.

Something such as this disorder can happen to anyone of us at any time with no warning or clue and it not rear its head until it rears its head. Again this is an extreme case example but Don't let emotion be the judging factor and make knee jerk reactions which I am very guilty of. Find out the absolute facts and do not let emotion keep us from doing such. This is what separates us from neanderthals. If then it is found that it was an intentional thing on his part, BBQ his ass without emotion or hesitation.

To quote Oswaldo Mobray "Dispassion is the essence of justice for justice delivered without dispassion is always in danger of not being justice."

just my 0.02
dstieger
7 years ago


Thanks for the link. It's been, what? a year and a half since I listened to that in full.

The 'fine sides' quote has been used as the single most vilifying factor in arguing that Trump is racist and/or supports and is supported by racists and white nationalists. I have said since that day that while I don't believe Trump is racist, that he hasn't done enough to distance himself from that faction.

However, listening to that interview, I think I can make a pretty clear distinction in my head that Trump was almost certainly referring to his opinion that both sides had their complex make-up, and that he was speaking specifically about some people that turned out to support leaving the statues in place.....NOT the most radical white nationalists. We'll never really know, because he skipped countless opportunities since to make his intent crystal clear, but he thrives on surrounding his statements in some ambiguity.

Bottom line, after listening to the news conference after all these months, I think that the true Trump haters may have put too much stock in the 'very fine people' quote.
opelmanta1900
7 years ago
When the only horse you have is dead, you might as well beat it...
Buckwheat
7 years ago

without due process there'd be even more nazi revisionist lies in the future

frankj1 wrote:



+1 =d>
delta1
7 years ago

Thanks for the link. It's been, what? a year and a half since I listened to that in full.

The 'fine sides' quote has been used as the single most vilifying factor in arguing that Trump is racist and/or supports and is supported by racists and white nationalists. I have said since that day that while I don't believe Trump is racist, that he hasn't done enough to distance himself from that faction.

However, listening to that interview, I think I can make a pretty clear distinction in my head that Trump was almost certainly referring to his opinion that both sides had their complex make-up, and that he was speaking specifically about some people that turned out to support leaving the statues in place.....NOT the most radical white nationalists. We'll never really know, because he skipped countless opportunities since to make his intent crystal clear, but he thrives on surrounding his statements in some ambiguity.

Bottom line, after listening to the news conference after all these months, I think that the true Trump haters may have put too much stock in the 'very fine people' quote.

dstieger wrote:



yes...if you only look at this occasion...

but when you look at his total "body of work", there is no ambiguity...


dstieger
7 years ago
Seems we talked around this recently. Either my CRS is overwhelming or you haven't made an explicit claim/case yet.

This is likely a pointless exercise, since you seem pretty set in whatever it is you believe about Trump....and I think I can argue for ambiguity, at the very least....so....against my better judgement....

What is your unambiguous statement of fact, or even unambiguous, supportable opinion?
tonygraz
7 years ago
He said nothing about the burned black churches - silence says a lot.
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