calphil
6 years ago
I've smoked a couple of CAO V660s that get very soft and loose in the final third. I'm pretty new to the larger ring gauge cigars, is this normal? I've smoked a bunch of Monte Cristo Media Noche 7x58, they don't turn soft. The CAOs have been in my humidor for about a month, 65% humidity, I'm thinking this might be normal for this particular cigar, I was wondering if other large ring gauges do this as well.
DrMaddVibe
6 years ago
CAO used to be a flim flam marketing company that peddled cigars. Some of which were decent. At the end of the day they could create a good cigar but they couldn't keep up with production demand. As a result a lot of cigar enthusiasts dropped them and went elsewhere.

There's a reason why 20 years ago a Padron, Montecristo, Perdomo, or Fuente cigar still looks and tastes like the same cigar today. Quality.
calphil
6 years ago
Thank you, that's what I was thinking, I was hoping that wasn't the case. I really enjoy the cigar, the final third is a mess though, it's hard to believe it was a 95 rated cigar at one point.
Pudding Mittens
6 years ago
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In my experience, CAO released a number of excellent cigars that soon went south in quality and flavor in a big way.

Then the family sold out to a huge cigar conglomerate. I'll leave it to you to guess which way overall quality went after that.

Look to other brands. I would suggest some of these:

1. AJ Fernandez (great to start, and most become even better with years of age)

2. Espinosa's 601 line (blue, green and red are all great) and some of his other lines

3. Padron

4. Perdomo (try a Champagne or a Perdomo Habano Connecticut sometime, for example)

5. Southern Draw which is actually made by AJ Fernandez (don't pay the normal $7-10 each price, they can be had for $3.50 each or less if you're patient, wait for a great sale and then stack promo codes on top of it)

6. Oliva V and V maduro

7. Certain Oliva house brands (notably some exclusive to the "very well-known" cigar retailer)

8. Even Rocky Patel who has a lot of crap has a couple of good lines currently (Super Ligero and Sun Grown Maduro, although it's hard to say if their quality will stay high or eventually deteriorate in future production runs).

9. Some Room101 stuff like the excellent Chief Cool Arrow (although nearly impossible to find now).

10. Some CI house lines that are budget-friendly and actually pretty good for their low price like certain Diesel, Man O' War and Nica Libre variants, which tend to improve greatly with age, I've noticed. Many other CI house lines are pretty crappy though, so beware.

11. Don Pepin Garcia, almost everything he makes is great.

12. Fuente and Ashton (which are made by Fuente) are loved by many, although my palate doesn't like them and I can't personally recommend them. You should try them though!

There are a number of others I'm forgetting, but there ya go, it's a good starter list.

CAO though, personally I'd just stay away. Too much better stuff can be had at the same or lower prices.
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Dg west deptford
6 years ago
Pudding wisdom except for#4. IMHO and if you can get me the good southern Draws for less than$4 in times like these I'll buy
calphil
6 years ago
That's great information, I really appreciate it, I'll definitely check those out.
benja123
6 years ago

Pudding wisdom except for#4. IMHO and if you can get me the good southern Draws for less than$4 in times like these I'll buy

Dg west deptford wrote:


IMO good Southern Draws do not include the Quickdraw which are mostly rope. Maybe the size, I dunno but Jacobs Ladder is decent. I have a Rose of Sharon I might try this weekend.
Pudding Mittens
6 years ago

Jacobs Ladder is decent.

benja123 wrote:


Late last year, the mothership's "sister site" did something pretty awesome from our point of view, and dumb from their point of view. Jacob's Ladder lanceros were put on sale, which took them from the usual $9.00+ each down to $5.00 each if I remember right, BUT if you stacked a certain set of several promo codes on top of the sale price and you also optimized the number of items on each order to maximize the overall savings, you could get them for an amazing $3.00 each shipped free, and neither the sale nor any of the promo codes were "one use per customer", all could be used as many times as you liked.

Needless to say, I backed up the truck and ordered a schittload of them, had to start another new coolerdor, and they're all aging away, slowly improving in flavor, to be enjoyed in the future.

This is why I won't pay the usual Southern Draw prices of $7-10 each. There's no reason to, if you're patient and vigilant and wait for sales and you sniff out codes and try different code stacks on top of those sales, etc.
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benja123
6 years ago

Late last year, the mothership's "sister site" did something pretty awesome from our point of view, and dumb from their point of view. Jacob's Ladder lanceros were put on sale, which took them from the usual $9.00+ each down to $5.00 each if I remember right, BUT if you stacked a certain set of several promo codes on top of the sale price and you also optimized the number of items on each order to maximize the overall savings, you could get them for an amazing $3.00 each shipped free, and neither the sale nor any of the promo codes were "one use per customer", all could be used as many times as you liked.

Needless to say, I backed up the truck and ordered a schittload of them, had to start another new coolerdor, and they're all aging away, slowly improving in flavor, to be enjoyed in the future.

This is why I won't pay the usual Southern Draw prices of $7-10 each. There's no reason to, if you're patient and vigilant and wait for sales and you sniff out codes and try different code stacks on top of those sales, etc.
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Pudding Mittens wrote:


(taking notes)
midmofan
6 years ago

Late last year, the mothership's "sister site" did something pretty awesome from our point of view, and dumb from their point of view. Jacob's Ladder lanceros were put on sale, which took them from the usual $9.00+ each down to $5.00 each if I remember right, BUT if you stacked a certain set of several promo codes on top of the sale price and you also optimized the number of items on each order to maximize the overall savings, you could get them for an amazing $3.00 each shipped free, and neither the sale nor any of the promo codes were "one use per customer", all could be used as many times as you liked.

Needless to say, I backed up the truck and ordered a schittload of them, had to start another new coolerdor, and they're all aging away, slowly improving in flavor, to be enjoyed in the future.

This is why I won't pay the usual Southern Draw prices of $7-10 each. There's no reason to, if you're patient and vigilant and wait for sales and you sniff out codes and try different code stacks on top of those sales, etc.
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Pudding Mittens wrote:



Bought several bundles of those with the "stacking deal." Dang good smoke for $3. Hoping they go on sale again in the not too distant future.
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