Gene363
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6 years ago
Blame Trump for USPS problems?

The Federal General Accounting Office, (GAO) has been reporting problems with the USPS almost ten years. The link below lists the reports the GAO has issued since 2009.

For those who are interested in the post office's chronically bad performance and "unsustainable" situation, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) has produced a long list of studies on where the problems come from and how they might be addressed. The short version is that Congress has blocked all sorts of serious reforms to an operation that has seen a 33 percent decline in mail volume since 2006.

https://www.gao.gov/key_issues/us_postal_service_financial_viability/issue_summary#t=1 

Brewha
6 years ago
When - I ask you WHEN - will people stop being SO mean to Trump?
victor809
6 years ago

Blame Trump for USPS problems?

The Federal General Accounting Office, (GAO) has been reporting problems with the USPS almost ten years. The link below lists the reports the GAO has issued since 2009.

For those who are interested in the post office's chronically bad performance and "unsustainable" situation, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) has produced a long list of studies on where the problems come from and how they might be addressed. The short version is that Congress has blocked all sorts of serious reforms to an operation that has seen a 33 percent decline in mail volume since 2006.

https://www.gao.gov/key_issues/us_postal_service_financial_viability/issue_summary#t=1 

Gene363 wrote:



Looks like the dems tried to rectify that in 2013....
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr2690 

But it didn't get a vote .... in the Republican controlled Congress.
HockeyDad
6 years ago

When - I ask you WHEN - will people stop being SO mean to Trump?

Brewha wrote:



In approximately 4 more years.
Stogie1020
6 years ago

Looks like the dems tried to rectify that in 2013....
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr2690 

But it didn't get a vote .... in the Republican controlled Congress.

victor809 wrote:



And rightly so. That was the bill where Dems wanted the USPS to be a small bank and offer "non-postal" financial services such as credit, loans, savings account, check cashing, etc.

Sounds like a good idea. /sarcasm

It was also a counter-bill to the one the Repubs proposed, so it's not R's were sitting around doing nothing.
victor809
6 years ago

And rightly so. That was the bill where Dems wanted the USPS to be a small bank and offer "non-postal" financial services such as credit, loans, savings account, check cashing, etc.

Sounds like a good idea. /sarcasm

It was also a counter-bill to the one the Repubs proposed, so it's not R's were sitting around doing nothing.

Stogie1020 wrote:



I don't know if there was a counter bill. I'm not even sure if the bill I'm referencing is what you're talking about. I was searching for US Postal Service bills in govtrak. The one that sounds like the "financial services" bill you're referencing was in 2018, not 2013.

I see the following:
H.R. 2967 (112th): Innovate to Deliver Act of 2011
Sponsor: Rep. Elijah Cummings [D-MD7]

H.R. 2690 (113th): Innovate to Deliver Act of 2013
Sponsor: Rep. Elijah Cummings [D-MD7]

(looks like Cummings tried it twice, got shot down by a Republican House both times)

There was a Postal Reform act introduced AFTER Cummings, by Republican Issa:
H.R. 2748 (113th): Postal Reform Act of 2013
Sponsor: Rep. Darrell Issa [R-CA49]
but it ALSO died in a Republican House.

Then after that, the budget pops up:
H.Con.Res. 125 (114th): Establishing the congressional budget for the United States Government for fiscal year 2017 and setting forth the appropriate budgetary levels for fiscal years 2018 through 2026.
Sponsor: Rep. Tom Price [R-GA6]


And after that, the "STOP Act" comes up a few times, but is not $$ related.

Then you get:
S. 2755 (115th): Postal Banking Act
Sponsor: Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand [D-NY]
Which I think is the one you're referencing.

And following that, another Dem sponsored one:
H.R. 2382: USPS Fairness Act
Sponsor: Rep. Peter DeFazio [D-OR4]

I don't see the Republican bill you're referencing anywhere, unless you're talking about the Issa (2013)


ZRX1200
6 years ago
Love the lefties ignoring the 50/50 split board that signs off on all these decisions......ignoring the mismanagement of USPS and the problem of its retirement system. Gotta love government benefited people deciding contracts with union members.
Stogie1020
6 years ago

Love the lefties ignoring the 50/50 split board that signs off on all these decisions......ignoring the mismanagement of USPS and the problem of its retirement system. Gotta love government benefited people deciding contracts with union members.

ZRX1200 wrote:



"Don't mind the facts" should have been the slogan for the DNC...

Victor, I was referring to the Issa plan. The Dems rubbed out "innovate" in a masturbatory rush to get something out in front of Issa because they wanted to show action and generate public awareness of their desired bill inclusions (labor issues, Saturday delivery, etc.). As usual, it was reckless and overly broad. Sounds familiar.

It failed because both sides could not reach a consensus before the end of the legislative term, so the action expired.
victor809
6 years ago

"Don't mind the facts" should have been the slogan for the DNC...

Victor, I was referring to the Issa plan. The Dems rubbed out "innovate" in a masturbatory rush to get something out in front of Issa because they wanted to show action and generate public awareness of their desired bill inclusions (labor issues, Saturday delivery, etc.). As usual, it was reckless and overly broad. Sounds familiar.

It failed because both sides could not reach a consensus before the end of the legislative term, so the action expired.

Stogie1020 wrote:



That would imply that the plan before that, the Cummings 2013 plan, was the one you say offered "lending" services.
I looked it up. It would have allowed the Post office to provide check cashing services, but no "credit, loans, savings account"

I'm not sure check cashing is a terrible thing for the post office to offer. That used to be something people could get done at grocery stores when buying their groceries. I would have agreed with you if the bill had provided for any lending or credit type services, but check cashing? In an environment where it's more and more difficult for people who don't have bank accounts, that seems like a good service.
Stogie1020
6 years ago

That would imply that the plan before that, the Cummings 2013 plan, was the one you say offered "lending" services.
I looked it up. It would have allowed the Post office to provide check cashing services, but no "credit, loans, savings account"

I'm not sure check cashing is a terrible thing for the post office to offer. That used to be something people could get done at grocery stores when buying their groceries. I would have agreed with you if the bill had provided for any lending or credit type services, but check cashing? In an environment where it's more and more difficult for people who don't have bank accounts, that seems like a good service.

victor809 wrote:



Check cashing was but one of the supposed additional services. ATMs, Internet service, etc. were all others. I am sure the federal government would be great at those things.

Having said that, Your argument appears to have migrated from "Republicans are the reasons the USPS is failing" to "Maybe the USPS should cash your checks"...

victor809
6 years ago

Check cashing was but one of the supposed additional services. ATMs, Internet service, etc. were all others. I am sure the federal government would be great at those things.

Having said that, Your argument appears to have migrated from "Republicans are the reasons the USPS is failing" to "Maybe the USPS should cash your checks"...

Stogie1020 wrote:



My argument hasn't changed. I simply stated that the dems tried to introduce bills to fix the post office issues, and the republican House refused to vote on them.

You claimed that Dems were trying to allow the post office to provide loans, credit, savings accounts and now "ATMs", internet service and check cashing.

I looked up the bill. Check cashing was the only item of your list which was actually proposed.

This means that your argument that:


And rightly so. That was the bill where Dems wanted the USPS to be a small bank and offer "non-postal" financial services such as credit, loans, savings account, check cashing, etc.


is pretty inaccurate, as they were only suggesting one of those items. If you want to claim differently, identify the line in the bill which would allow other financial services.

And your argument that

It was also a counter-bill to the one the Repubs proposed, so it's not R's were sitting around doing nothing.


appears to be wrong, as (to the best of my knowledge) the dem bill was proposed first... twice.... before the Issa bill you are referencing was initiated.
Stogie1020
6 years ago
Selective history is just that, Victor. BOTH parties have introduced bills to try to reform the USPS and BOTH parties have prevented such bills form moving forward. It's disingenuous to suggest one party has been the hold up when you know both parties are equally responsible.

Additionally, a review of the literature surrounding the legislation clearly indicates motivation toward services other than simply "check cashing"

https://naps.org/files/galleries/NAPS_Review_of_Cummings_Postal_Reform_Legislation-0002.pdf 


https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44603.pdf 

https://oversight.house.gov/news/press-releases/cummings-praises-ig-proposal-for-post-offices-to-expand-financial-services 

ZRX1200
6 years ago
Gotta cut Vickey some slack, he wants to pretend the D bills were awesome not because he BELIEVES that. No. Victor just wants to insult people here. It’s his life. It’s the only thing that brings him happiness here.

Whatcha smoking? Almost zip

Trades? LMAO

Herfs? A few.

Live he’s not a terrible person, just his personna here.
victor809
6 years ago

Selective history is just that, Victor. BOTH parties have introduced bills to try to reform the USPS and BOTH parties have prevented such bills form moving forward. It's disingenuous to suggest one party has been the hold up when you know both parties are equally responsible.

Stogie1020 wrote:


Yes, and no. Since what... 2010? only one party has had both the House and the Senate, and the presidency.... in theory they would have been able to pass the reform. Obama could have done something in 2009 or 2010, perhaps. Don't know if it was an issue then, honestly.

I don't disagree that if you have a split house/senate then it won't get done. That's a given.



So the weird takeaway from this is that some groups wanted or suggested that they offer other services.
But again.... the bill itself did not appear to include that. Here's the specific edit to the "Non Postal Services" which the bill suggested:

(4) For purposes of this title, the term nonpostal services means services and products other than postal services as defined in section 102(5), including—
(A) check-cashing services;
(B) new technology and media services;
(C) warehousing and logistics;
(D) facility leasing; and
(E) public internet access services.



More importantly, notice the statement from Cummings himself.... thats dated 2015, well after the 2013 bill.

And most amusing of this.... The Congressional Research Document was actually pretty interesting. I didn't know that the Post office used to provide banking services (from 1911 to like 1967 or something).

but regardless... it wasn't in the bill.

So saying that the bill was struck down because of x,y and z... when only one of those was in the bill, is false.
HockeyDad
6 years ago
I’m not looking up any failed bills from the past regarding the reform of the USPS. I’m just not. I have a life.
DrafterX
6 years ago
If the Post is really a 'Service ' instead of a 'business' why do we have to buy stamps and stuff..?? 🤔
Gene363
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6 years ago

If the Post is really a 'Service ' instead of a 'business' why do we have to buy stamps and stuff..?? :-k

DrafterX wrote:



Good question, it would save a lot of printing, shipping and the sale of stamps, I would not write any more letters if they were free. It would have to apply only to first class mail however.
BuckyB93
6 years ago
I don't need to use stamps. I have Platinum membership with the USPS.

Another trick is to put the recipient addy as the return addy and no stamp. It gets sent back to the return addy (which is the recipient addy) because of insufficient postage. It's cool, try it sometime.

My USPS shpo protects me.
delta1
6 years ago
everybody craps on the USPS, but it is an essential government service specified in the Constitution, which gives Congress the power to set the parameters of the operation and build the roads needed...

guess who UPS, FedEx, and other for-profit courier services hand stuff over to, for the last leg if a delivery is too costly to complete for their "profit" models? who will step up and take mail/packages the last mile out to the boonies if anti-USPSers have their way and defund the USPS?

lotsa cons like to live in the deep rural areas, away from the unwashed masses of poor people...the USPS is their lifeline...

even CBid BOTL "endorse" the USPS since we, as a group, have chosen the USPS Tracking # as our confirmation standard bomb delivery service...
Gene363
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6 years ago

everybody craps on the USPS, but it is an essential government service specified in the Constitution, which gives Congress the power to set the parameters of the operation and build the roads needed...

guess who UPS, FedEx, and other for-profit courier services hand stuff over to, for the last leg if a delivery is too costly to complete for their "profit" models? who will step up and take mail/packages the last mile out to the boonies if anti-USPSers have their way and defund the USPS?

lotsa cons like to live in the deep rural areas, away from the unwashed masses of poor people...the USPS is their lifeline...

even CBid BOTL "endorse" the USPS since we, as a group, have chosen the USPS Tracking # as our confirmation standard bomb delivery service...

delta1 wrote:



This so called "economy" service is terrible, much slower than the USPS or Fedex or UPS alone. It's like both orgnizations figure theater one will get blamed and take their time processing these packages.

From my POV, most of the problems in the USPS are funding the retirement and health care costs and an excess of managers vs people that actully do the work. The latter especially in the regional processing centers where most delays are caused.
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