Speyside
5 years ago
The world economy is now digital. JMHO, this is the lasting change that SARS-COVID2 has brought. It's been coming, I think at least one person here is taking advantage of it. I'm a dinosaur, yet even I see opportunity.
JadeRose
5 years ago
My life is better since I got sent home March 17th, 2020. My job has not changed one single bit. I had been pleading for YEARS before then to allow flexibility to stay home for those of us that can and COVID forced their hand. I have ZERO desire to return to "normal." I care nothing about corporate cultures or interpersonal interaction. My job is 100% network based and 98.2% of all communications with others I had BEFORE COVID was on Skype, Teams, email, or phone. Right now I go the office an average of about once a month for 2-3 hours to do those very few things I need to do in person. That's fine. The rest of the time, I am taking up NO space at the office. I require no HVAC or power or even flush their toilets. I actually spend MORE time online just because I want to and have the time. My hours are no longer 7-3:30. They are "whenever". If I want to go fish or run errands, I do. The wife and I are empty nesters so I have no distractions at home unless she is feeling amorous. Yep....even our sex life is better. I can also be anywhere and do my job. I am currently sitting on my patio writing this, smoking my pipe, and working on a beautiful late spring day. Not trapped in a gaddam office listening to some meathead drone on about some nonsense.
I've been sniffing around for promotion for a couple of years and now? Don't even want it. If possible, I want to ride this out until retirement. Let the younger ones or those who love the office environment have those. Just let me have this. I've heard some idiots complain that the company should "pay for our internet and power bills and give us fancy chairs at home." Are you $hitting me? STFU. They DO provide computers and monitors and such. I can pay for the services I already have. Hell, just the savings on gas and time MORE than make up for that $hit.

The smart companies will use this as a recruitment tool and run with it. The dumb ones (most of them) will force people like me back in the office and watch as we seek out those will let us have our freedom back.

I should also add that I haven't used any "vacation" time in almost 2 years. Hell, I don't need to. I feel like I have a full time job AND am retired all at the same time. I'm a "non-corporate" guy in a corporate world. For the first time, I'm ok with that.
opelmanta1900
5 years ago
Kingofthecove told me he's a barbie girl in a barbie world...
Speyside
5 years ago
You were one of the people I was thinking of that are taking advantage of this Jade. Really smart companies are going to a digital economy in every way they can. Covid19 has simply pushed slow to change companies into a digital economy. Hopefully most will is the benefits for the company and the employee.
victor809
5 years ago
It should have a lasting effect. Companies in cities, where they have been spending enormous amounts of money on office rent and maintenance, are also getting a lot of pushback from workers who have now realized what their life can be like when they don't have to commute 60min each direction into the city daily. N of 1, but the wife's company which prior to COVID required everyone come in to the office (she had to get a special dispensation when we moved) has shifted to allowing like 30% of employees work from home, 20% work part-time from home and the rest work in the office, or something like that. A large shift for a company which was very firm about it previously. This is primarily because the pandemic forced a proof of concept, and workers showed they can be just as efficient working from home as they were in the office. (I do not know if that means they were just as lazy in the office or what).
JadeRose
5 years ago

It should have a lasting effect. Companies in cities, where they have been spending enormous amounts of money on office rent and maintenance, are also getting a lot of pushback from workers who have now realized what their life can be like when they don't have to commute 60min each direction into the city daily. N of 1, but the wife's company which prior to COVID required everyone come in to the office (she had to get a special dispensation when we moved) has shifted to allowing like 30% of employees work from home, 20% work part-time from home and the rest work in the office, or something like that. A large shift for a company which was very firm about it previously. This is primarily because the pandemic forced a proof of concept, and workers showed they can be just as efficient working from home as they were in the office. (I do not know if that means they were just as lazy in the office or what).

victor809 wrote:




My company (Veterinary Pharmaceuticals) had the best year we've ever had. Even THEY were shocked. I believe part of the reason was the reduced cost (both financial AND in time) of production in the plant. Those of us not directly involved in production were not THERE f*cking with those that are. We were off-site doing our support functions more efficiently. Throw in virtually NO business travel and everything that goes into maintaining an occupied facility and we were stream-lined like a MF-er. My company is a privately owned German company. They aren't dummies. I'm cautiously hopeful that this will be the new norm.
Krazeehorse
5 years ago
Ultimately I think compensation for at home workers will go down because those employees won't have to live where the cost of living is so high. That will probably happen by attrition.
Gene363
5 years ago

My life is better since I got sent home March 17th, 2020. My job has not changed one single bit. I had been pleading for YEARS before then to allow flexibility to stay home for those of us that can and COVID forced their hand. I have ZERO desire to return to "normal." I care nothing about corporate cultures or interpersonal interaction. My job is 100% network based and 98.2% of all communications with others I had BEFORE COVID was on Skype, Teams, email, or phone. Right now I go the office an average of about once a month for 2-3 hours to do those very few things I need to do in person. That's fine. The rest of the time, I am taking up NO space at the office. I require no HVAC or power or even flush their toilets. I actually spend MORE time online just because I want to and have the time. My hours are no longer 7-3:30. They are "whenever". If I want to go fish or run errands, I do. The wife and I are empty nesters so I have no distractions at home unless she is feeling amorous. Yep....even our sex life is better. I can also be anywhere and do my job. I am currently sitting on my patio writing this, smoking my pipe, and working on a beautiful late spring day. Not trapped in a gaddam office listening to some meathead drone on about some nonsense.
I've been sniffing around for promotion for a couple of years and now? Don't even want it. If possible, I want to ride this out until retirement. Let the younger ones or those who love the office environment have those. Just let me have this. I've heard some idiots complain that the company should "pay for our internet and power bills and give us fancy chairs at home." Are you $hitting me? STFU. They DO provide computers and monitors and such. I can pay for the services I already have. Hell, just the savings on gas and time MORE than make up for that $hit.

The smart companies will use this as a recruitment tool and run with it. The dumb ones (most of them) will force people like me back in the office and watch as we seek out those will let us have our freedom back.

I should also add that I haven't used any "vacation" time in almost 2 years. Hell, I don't need to. I feel like I have a full time job AND am retired all at the same time. I'm a "non-corporate" guy in a corporate world. For the first time, I'm ok with that.

JadeRose wrote:



If I was still working I'd be in the same boat, except I would also be saying, "See, I told it would work!"
JadeRose
5 years ago

If I was still working I'd be in the same boat, except I would also be saying, "See, I told it would work!"

Gene363 wrote:




It always DID work. Even before COVID, I did prolly half my work at home. I'm a Maintenance Planner/Scheduler so my work is ALWAYS in the future. The work I do today is for next week, next month, 6 months from now. It's like a never ending jigsaw puzzle that requires my concentration. The office environment is NOT conducive to that. I am not tied to a time clock or anything and if I started sluffing off it would be VERY apparent the following week as nothing would get done. Plus my particular focus is on some pretty specialized areas of concern for our plant that could get it heavily fined or even shutdown if the work or engineering projects aren't completed on time. Even if I wanted to screw off, my work MUST be done. It's hard, tedious work that I happen to love. Even though I hate jigsaw puzzles.
HockeyDad
5 years ago
The reports of the death of the office job are greatly exaggerated.
Gene363
5 years ago

The reports of the death of the office job are greatly exaggerated.

HockeyDad wrote:



it's certainly a scary issue for a lot of middle management, (AKA excess overhead) types in addition to office space owners.
JadeRose
5 years ago

it's certainly a scary issue for a lot of middle management, (AKA excess overhead) types in addition to office space owners.

Gene363 wrote:




The world needs more green space and trees. Fuq em. As far as Management types, I've always thought that there were 2 types of people in any organization. 50% (or less) do the actual work. The other 50% (or more) exist to make the jobs of the first group harder. Fuq them, too.

Take 2 people in an organization...the CEO and the janitor. Give them both a month off. Which one you gonna miss faster?
BuckyB93
5 years ago
What if your the CEO of a janitorial business?
Speyside
5 years ago
You would have less value than the janitor of a CEO business.
Mr. Jones
5 years ago
I was out 98.2 % of all the days since 3-1-20 when the "BIG LOCKDOWN " WENT DOWN...

I'M STILL ABOVE GROUND

MUCH TO THE shagrin' of Gary 0'connor FBI-SSG
Field chief...

Screw Gary, screw the FBI, SCREW THE SSG DIVISION AND S THEIR WHORE MUDDERS...AND SCREW COMEY , OBAMMY AND JOE STRANOSA...

I GOT IT IN MID DECEMBER OF 2019...
THAT B.S. OF IT NOT GETTING TO THE USA TILL FEB.2020
IS TOTAL B.S....
I WAS "DOSED" BY THE MAN /SSG AND LIVED THRU IT...
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