RayR
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5 years ago
Reminds me of the old Obama Youth Brigade



Can Mass Subjugation Save American Democracy?

James Bovard
– July 7, 2021

Beatings will continue until morale improves” has morphed from an old joke to the latest prescription for national salvation. “Compulsory National Service Could Unite America,” whooped a New York Times Op-ed headline last week. Prominent media outlets, think tanks, and too many professors and former generals are calling for government to commandeer a year of young Americans’ lives to forcibly restore their faith in the political system.

Rep. John Delaney made a one-year mandatory service requirement for every 18-year-old a keystone of his Democratic presidential campaign. Last year, the congressionally-created National Commission on Military, National, and Public Service recommended reserving “mandatory service as a last resort” to force Americans to serve as politicians demand. From the Aspen Institute to the Brookings Institution, from the Washington Post to Politico, national service is being whooped up as a silver bullet for all that ails America.

Congress last month created a new federal holiday, Juneteenth Day, spurred in part by focus on the horrors of slavery. But compulsory service advocates are rewriting the script for American history. Apparently, slavery was evil not because of the unjust subjugation but because plantation owners, not politicians, were the profiteers. If the federal government is the beneficiary of forced labor, any quibbles about the 13th Amendment’s prohibition of involuntary servitude are moot.

Compulsory national service is the deranged civics version of Modern Monetary Theory (MMT). MMT theory presumes that politicians can fabricate and spend unlimited amounts of fiat money without profoundly damaging the economy. Similarly, compulsory national service proponents presume politicians can destroy a vast swath of freedom without harming America. Proponents tacitly assume that the time of young people is of zero value, so their scheme costs nothing. Since every 18-to-20 year old is squandering all their time playing video games and watching Pornhub, why not round them up? But where did politicians acquire the right to command young people to postpone building their own lives?

Compulsory national service would provide “attitude adjustment” for an entire generation. Many proponents stress that shackling young people is the best way to encourage them to be tolerant and appreciative of people of different backgrounds. Pulitzer Prize-winning author and historian Doris Kearns Goodwin favors national service because “you get people from the city to the country, country to the city, you begin to create a new generation that has shared values.” Indoctrination would be a huge part of any such program but the media wouldn’t use that term because progressive values would be inculcated. The vast majority of young Americans spend 12 years in government schools but politicians want more control over their thoughts.

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https://www.aier.org/article/can-mass-subjugation-save-american-democracy/ 




drglnc
5 years ago
Nothing new... at least four bills have been proposed in Congress since 2002/2003 and has been at least lightly supported by a few on the left and with some caveats even a few on the right. It has never made it out of committee as far as i know and has failed to even garner enough sponsor ship. one of the votes was something like 2-400... Just because someone on the left likes the idea does not mean all do... just like some on the right having bat **** crazy ideas does not mean all on the right are bat **** crazy,,, Both sides have them... As a Registered Dem... i do not support the idea of mandatory service... I am for making it more enticing to join but also feel the commitment required should be based on the level of benefits you want to get. it kind of is now but i think we can do better. I would also like 4 year College degrees to be WAY more affordable if not free and Trade schools to be more accessible for all. We should ALL support education and training to generate productive members of society no mater what party we identify as.
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5 years ago
Ol smooth brain strikes again.

I think the left wants your right testical so you can only produce lefties.

F*ck, reading your sh*t is tiring... it's the same old sh*t, it's like a nursery ryme.



The left is evil...

...

Because the left is evil...

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And all that happened because the left is evil and they only desire to eat your soul.


Pretty much every single thing you write. Do you really believe that 50% of the population is evil... even more disturbing... you don't see evil on your side?

I don't even know why I bother, you're too unintelligent to see how braindead you are... me trying to show you... accomplishes nothing.
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5 years ago



The left is evil...

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Because the left is evil...

....

And all that happened because the left is evil and they only desire to eat your soul.

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Yes your right, that's all you need to say.

You know why you bother...because you can't resist knowing how evil the left is.
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5 years ago

Nothing new... at least four bills have been proposed in Congress since 2002/2003 and has been at least lightly supported by a few on the left and with some caveats even a few on the right. It has never made it out of committee as far as i know and has failed to even garner enough sponsor ship. one of the votes was something like 2-400... Just because someone on the left likes the idea does not mean all do... just like some on the right having bat **** crazy ideas does not mean all on the right are bat **** crazy,,, Both sides have them... As a Registered Dem... i do not support the idea of mandatory service... I am for making it more enticing to join but also feel the commitment required should be based on the level of benefits you want to get. it kind of is now but i think we can do better. I would also like 4 year College degrees to be WAY more affordable if not free and Trade schools to be more accessible for all. We should ALL support education and training to generate productive members of society no mater what party we identify as.

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The left's horrid UnAmerican top-down United State of America national-socialist ideas are like a bad penny, they always turn up again over and over.
OK, so you're like against a term of outright slavery to the centralized ubersized unconstitutional state but you're fine with kids being enticed into voluntary indentured servitude on the taxpayer dime with the old "free" education makes kids smarter and more productive canard. Put a carrot on a string and they shall come to their statist indoctrination willingly and learn to love their overlords? That'll make them more agreeable to becoming cannon fodder when the next unconstitutional progressive war comes around too I suppose.
Just trying to clear up what you said, trying to get to the meat of the matter.

Yes, some on the right have similar bat **** crazy ideas, they are usually found in that sect called neocons.


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5 years ago
So the left is evil then?
RayR
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5 years ago

So the left is evil then?

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Haven't I proven that over and over again?
Your troll juice is weak.

Speyside
5 years ago
Moronic post. I pity Ray Ray, such hate is true evil. Unfortunately he f***s up almost every thread. He is a detriment to this forum who has yet to provide it with any value. Though anyone who believes in complete anarchy provides no value to the world so his actions are both predictable and worthless.
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5 years ago

Moronic post. I pity Ray Ray, such hate is true evil. Unfortunately he f***s up almost every thread. He is a detriment to this forum who has yet to provide it with any value. Though anyone who believes in complete anarchy provides no value to the world so his actions are both predictable and worthless.

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Oh that's right, you're a fresh out of the closet neocon so I must have insulted you.😂

Yes, when the world loves Lies, the truth will be hated, so I invite your hatred.

BTW...your hero Jefferson would slap you silly.
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5 years ago

Haven't I proven that over and over again?
Your troll juice is weak.

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Define troll.
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5 years ago

Define troll.

bgz wrote:



More weak troll juice?

[gofishin]
frankj1
5 years ago
am I the only one who found the most stunning thing in the op was learning that Delaney ran for President?
RayR
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am I the only one who found the most stunning thing in the op was learning that Delaney ran for President?

frankj1 wrote:



Frank, the things you find fascinating I do no understand.[-(
frankj1
5 years ago

Frank, the things you find fascinating I do no understand.[-(

RayR wrote:


I'm quite sure that is true.
Speyside
5 years ago
Jefferson's most fundamental political belief was an "absolute acquiescence in the decisions of the MAJORITY." Stemming from his deep optimism in human reason, Jefferson believed that the WILL OF THE PEOPLE, expressed through elections, provided the most appropriate guidance for directing the republic's course

Ushistory.com
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Jefferson's most fundamental political belief was an "absolute acquiescence in the decisions of the MAJORITY." Stemming from his deep optimism in human reason, Jefferson believed that the WILL OF THE PEOPLE, expressed through elections, provided the most appropriate guidance for directing the republic's course

Ushistory.com

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Broken link...wrong URL

So now you're going to cherry-pick and twist Jefferson's words to mean he was for mob rule? 👎
Ya, I don't think Jefferson was for the tyranny of the majority...try again.
Jefferson was for decentralizing political power to the smallest degree. He especially didn't trust democracy in the general government, whether the President, the Congress, the Senate, or the Supreme Court. He knew they would be prone on occasion to violate the Constitution. Does the author who wrote the draft of the 1798 Kentucky Resolutions sound like one who believed in the absolute acquiescence in the decisions of the majority?

the government created by this compact was not made the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself; since that would have made its discretion, and not the Constitution, the measure of its powers; but that, as in all other cases of compact among powers having no common judge, each party has an equal right to judge for itself, as well of infractions as of mode and measure of redress.



"each party" was the members of the compact, the states and the people of those states.
Sounds pretty quaint nowadays doesn't it with the federal leviathan running rampant across the land.
Nonetheless, there are still Jeffersonian pushbacks against the dicktators and usurpers, like federal drug laws and violations of the 2nd Amendment for instance.

Speyside
5 years ago
I wasn't posting a link. I was stating the source.
Brewha
5 years ago

I'm quite sure that is true.

frankj1 wrote:


+2
tonygraz
5 years ago
I think Frank speaks the truth.
RayR
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5 years ago

I wasn't posting a link. I was stating the source.

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No such source
Somebody owns the domain Ushistory.com, but it's not in use.
I think you meant ushistory.org

Eh...your spelling always sucked anyway.
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