CamoRoon
5 years ago
Somebody please tell me I misheard. I swear I heard that Diblasio suggested paying criminals not to commit crimes. Talk about an upside down world. We seem to be lead by people who think our money supply is endless. So as we go back and forth about masks and vaccines, we quietly sell the future of our kids, grandkids and great grandkids by accepting endless debt.
RayR
5 years ago
You heard right, the NYC communist criminal mayor is totally off his rocker as all devote leftists tend to be.

https://nypost.com/2021/08/15/de-blasios-plan-to-give-a-grand-a-month-to-violent-offenders-is-insane/ 
DrMaddVibe
5 years ago
Ask Biden all about it.
tonygraz
5 years ago
Would it cost less than incarcerating them ?
Sunoverbeach
5 years ago
Technically yes. One site estimates annual per prisoner cost at $14k - $70k annually depending on the state. However, if you consider these criminals are eligible for the payment after already being involved in a lethal firearm offense, therefore having already been a drain on taxpayers for a number of years (at least I hope multiple years). I would argue that I'm owed much more money each month having never killed anybody (may or may not have considered it on some roadways on occasion) and having saved the state all that cash to start with. I'm a valuable f$%@ing commodity
RMAN4443
5 years ago
Sign me up!! I'll be a very good boy for a grand a month...o:)
HockeyDad
5 years ago
What if the criminals take the money but still commit more crimes?
BuckyB93
5 years ago
We obviously weren't paying them enough. Sounds like they need a merit based raise for continuing to "work" under difficult circumstances.
BuckyB93
5 years ago
rfenst
5 years ago

What if the criminals take the money but still commit more crimes?

HockeyDad wrote:



Seriously: interesting economic trade-off

In jest: HD, that's why you pay them in arrears- after the end of the month- once it has been confirmed they earned their pay by not committing any crime during the preceding month.
BuckyB93
5 years ago

Seriously: interesting economic trade-off

In jest: HD, that's why you pay them in arrears- after the end of the month- once it has been confirmed they earned their pay by not committing any crime during the preceding month.

rfenst wrote:




How is this an interesting economic topic at all? This is totally f-ed up. (I would have used "franked" up but I couldn't attach his name to how franked up this is).

So let me get this straight, we want to pay people to not break the law? What kind of F-ed up logic is that?

We currently pay people not to work, now some think it's a good idea to pay people to not break the law?

Where is mine?

Is it on a sliding scale? The more heinous the crime that you didn't commit the more you get paid? Do you submit a monthly statement of all the crimes that you didn't commit and how much the government owes for for not committing these crimes?

I didn't kill anyone = $?
I didn't rape anyone = $?
I didn't mug anyone = $?
I didn't commit a felony theft = $?
I didn't commit fraud = $?
I didn't mail anything that was fragile, liquid, perishable, or potentially hazardous = $?
deadeyedick
5 years ago
Doesn’t it cost just as much to confirm innocence as it does guilt?
DrMaddVibe
5 years ago
Pretty sure OJ spent a bunch so the Juice could stay loose.


See what I did there?
RayR
5 years ago
Bucky, I would attach Frank's name to it because Frank thinks anybody that calls what the left does evil and stupid is franked up.
rfenst
5 years ago
You missunderstood my post. Any time a trade-off is made, it falls into the category of social economics. You know... Guns v. Butter...

How is this an interesting economic topic at all? Trade off expense/savings based on an impossible to occur trade off. This is totally f-ed up. (I would have used "franked" up but I couldn't attach his name to how franked up this is). Yup.

So let me get this straight, we want to pay people to not break the law? I do not want to pay people to not commit crime- I want them in jail. What kind of F-ed up logic is that?

We currently pay people not to work, now some think it's a good idea to pay people to not break the law?

Where is mine?

Is it on a sliding scale? The more heinous the crime that you didn't commit the more you get paid? Do you submit a monthly statement of all the crimes that you didn't commit and how much the government owes for for not committing these crimes?

I didn't kill anyone = $?
I didn't rape anyone = $?
I didn't mug anyone = $?
I didn't commit a felony theft = $?
I didn't commit fraud = $?
I didn't mail anything that was fragile, liquid, perishable, or potentially hazardous = $?

BuckyB93 wrote:


CamoRoon
5 years ago
If it's cost analysis you're interested in, a bullet cost less than a buck. Why not pay us all to not commit crime? What makes them special? Why not pay people to not get fat? Why not pay people to not smoke? Why not a special tax on people who don't serve in the military? Where would this approach end? Why not pay the taliban and isis to not attack us? It's another dumb "F"ing democrat (progressive idea). Assuming they will keep their word, I guess we can abolish the police and pay for it with the saved money. Of course when they pay me not to steal, you're going to get jealous and start to steal so you can get a handout. I cannot fathom some people's thought process.
BuckyB93
5 years ago

You missunderstood my post. Any time a trade-off is made, it falls into the category of social economics. You know... Guns v. Butter...

rfenst wrote:



Social economics? Pay off someone or a group of people to not do a criminal act... kinda sounds like blackmail. (Maybe should have said skin pigment gender identity).
rfenst
5 years ago

If it's cost analysis you're interested in, a bullet cost less than a buck. Why not pay us all to not commit crime? What makes them special? Why not pay people to not get fat? Why not pay people to not smoke? Why not a special tax on people who don't serve in the military? Where would this approach end? Why not pay the taliban and isis to not attack us? It's another dumb "F"ing democrat (progressive idea). Assuming they will keep their word, I guess we can abolish the police and pay for it with the saved money. Of course when they pay me not to steal, you're going to get jealous and start to steal so you can get a handout. I cannot fathom some people's thought process.

CamoRoon wrote:


Exactly!
rfenst
5 years ago

Social economics? Pay off someone or a group of people to not do a criminal act... kinda sounds like blackmail. (Maybe should have said skin pigment gender identity).

BuckyB93 wrote:


No, it sounds ironic and stupid.
rfenst
5 years ago
Wholly $hit! This is for real.

NYC launching program to pay young criminal offenders $1K per month for participation, good behavior: reports
NYC plan to pay young criminal offenders $1,000 per month slammed as 'insane'

Fox News

A New York City pilot program has come under fire by some for what local reports describe as a plan to pay young criminal offenders $1,000 each month for their continued involvement in the program and good behavior.

The Big Apple’s months-long plan to try out the Advance Peace model is reaching fruition this month after Mayor Bill de Blasio and Public Advocate Jumaane Williams first announced in March their intentions to pilot the program, according to a report by The Trace, which partnered with local news site The City.

The program is being tested through five police precincts, one in each of the New York City boroughs, according to a Mayor’s Office press release from March. De Blasio said during a press conference at the time that Williams approached him about utilizing the Advance Peace model.

"Under the pilot, the City will conduct outreach in areas with high levels of gun violence to identify youth who are at-risk for gun violence," the release states. "Select individuals are then invited to join the Peacemaker fellowship, which pairs mentees with individual Neighborhood Change Agents who mentor them and set tangible goals like a driver's license or a GED."

It adds: "When participants achieve their goals, they receive a monetary stipend."

The stipend, according to The Trace, has been approximately $1,000 per month for continuing fellows in past cities that have incorporated the program. Participants will be paid more money for achieving previously established goals, according to the report.

"This Advance Peace Model will guarantee a safer and fairer New York for generations to come," de Blasio said at the time.

But not everyone is thrilled by the idea.

"If giving a grand a month to violent teens – on the proviso that they receive ‘mentoring’ from older ex-cons – sounds like a good use of money, well, you’re in luck," he wrote. "According to Public Advocate Jumaane Williams, investing in the Advance Peace model ‘isn’t only a moral obligation, it’s a governing imperative.’"

In his piece, Barron excoriated the program, which he described as "handing out cash to gun thugs," and Advance Peace’s "mixed" record.

The model was first utilized in Richmond, California, and was later adopted in Sacramento, Stockton and Fresno, as well as in Fort Worth, Texas, according to The Trace.

De Blasio press secretary Bill Neidhardt told Fox News on Tuesday: "Conservative cranks love to shower their billionaire donors with tax cuts, but as soon as governments invest in at-risk youth, they start flailing and shouting. Truly pathetic stuff."

Neidhardt pointed to the results of the similar Richmond model, where Advance Peace statistics show gun-related assaults fell 66% between 2010 and 2017.

"Thankfully we listen to data and science to save lives, not conservative columnists in their ivory towers who truly don’t care about stopping gun violence," Neidhardt said.
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