DrMaddVibe
4 years ago
🤔

More people will be coming to Florida to live a free life.

Sounds more like a good thing.
HockeyDad
4 years ago
We already have a state mandate for our healthcare workers. Well prolly make ours have to get four shots to make up for the lack of jabs in Florida. Science.
RayR
4 years ago
It's NULLIFICATION Spey2! The HORROR of it HUH? It must make you MAD!🤬

Nullify all unconstitutional federal dicktates! Tell em' to stick it up their arse!
MACS
4 years ago

https://www.news4jax.com/news/florida/2022/01/14/desantis-florida-wont-enforce-health-care-worker-vaccination-requirement/

Interesting to see how this plays out.

Speyside2 wrote:



Pretty much what the local sheriff said... screw your "mandates".
Sunoverbeach
4 years ago
I have many jokes about unemployed people. Sadly none of them work
bgz
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4 years ago
I have no problem with states telling the feds to fk off with rules they don't agree with. Going against scotus though... there are rules to this sh*t, whether you like the rules or not.

I'm interested in how it plays out as well.
bgz
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4 years ago

I have many jokes about unemployed people. Sadly none of them work

Sunoverbeach wrote:



Which explains the incessant jokes.
RayR
4 years ago

I have no problem with states telling the feds to fk off with rules they don't agree with. Going against scotus though... there are rules to this sh*t, whether you like the rules or not.

I'm interested in how it plays out as well.

bgz wrote:



The SCOTUS is the feds. The SCOTUS is political, the SCOTUS makes opinions, they can't enforce laws and can not make laws.

“The States then being the parties to the constitutional compact, and in their sovereign capacity, it follows of necessity, that there can be no tribunal above their authority, to decide in the last resort, whether the compact made by them [the Constitution] be violated; and consequently that as the parties to it, they must themselves decide in the last resort, such questions as may be of sufficient magnitude to require their interposition.” - James Madison

Black-Robed Deities Ignore the Constitution Again
Thomas DiLorenzo

Reading about the supreme court’s ruling that Senile Joe’s attempt to dictate injections of unknown chemical substances into the bodies of all employees of businesses with more than 100 employees (Repeat after me: “Our Bodies, Our Choice!”) is a no go, one thing stood out. According to news reports, the court’s argument was that yes, Congress has given OSHA vast regulatory powers, but not this one.

This suggests that anything is “constitutional” as long as a majority of Congress says so and the current president agrees. So all Congress now has to do, as long as the Pelosi/Schumer crime families are in charge, is to add a rider to say, a farm bill, that gives OSHA the power to administer forced injections of mysterious, unknown chemicals into every resident of the U.S. One wonders what James Madison would think of this.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/black-robed-deities-ignore-the-constitution-again/ 

Sunoverbeach
4 years ago

Which explains the incessant jokes.

bgz wrote:


That's why the weekday onslaught occurs around 4pm CST. Gotta keep up appearances
rfenst
4 years ago

It's NULLIFICATION Spey2! The HORROR of it HUH? It must make you MAD!🤬

Nullify all unconstitutional federal dicktates! Tell em' to stick it up their arse!

RayR wrote:


Who do you believe has the authority too disregard SCOTUS rulings and from where/what is such authority derived?
rfenst
4 years ago

https://www.news4jax.com/news/florida/2022/01/14/desantis-florida-wont-enforce-health-care-worker-vaccination-requirement/

Interesting to see how this plays out.

Speyside2 wrote:


1) Motion for reconsideration- denied by SCOTUS;
2) Non-compliant medical care providers simply won't get paid their Medicare/Medicaid charges, which will financially choke them into compliance very quickly- because their cash flow, operating scales and entire business structures are dependent on regular Medicaid/Medicare payments;
3) If Desantis interferes in any way- there will be an immediate federal court order prohibiting him from interfering, which would would then be appealed to SCOTUS quickly. Scotus might even simply refuse to even hear the appealast, which would either refuse to even hear the case or rule on it against him immediately.
4) If he were to still refuse, I am sure the federal government would bear pressure by withdrawing aid and resources to quickly choke the state into compliance; and finally;
5) Should it ever come to it, the next step is serious coercion and then the use of force....

Federalism. SCOTUS ruled (fairly or not) and the matter is supposed to be fully and finally decided. Desantis wants this fight. It is raw meat for the national crowd. He could have no way out from his position and he will continue to complain and argue about it ad nauseum. Wonder if he'll ask FL to secede? LOL...

Deep South governors once refused school intervention and their supporters cheered. But, it didn't take long for the federal government to step in with force. I wonder if, taken to the extreme, this could kind of play-out in the same way. HE ONLY WON BY A MERE .4%, i.e. just 4/1Oths of one percent, which is anything but a plebiscite
bgz
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4 years ago
I would put the court on a higher level than what would normally be considerred the feds. I would say if they rule on your state specifically, then it should be honored. And that's what makes this interesting... the blatant defiance... it's like a bad cliff hanger.... I really kinda want to see what happens next, but in the end I probably don't care.


The SCOTUS is the feds. The SCOTUS is political, the SCOTUS makes opinions, they can't enforce laws and can not make laws.

“The States then being the parties to the constitutional compact, and in their sovereign capacity, it follows of necessity, that there can be no tribunal above their authority, to decide in the last resort, whether the compact made by them [the Constitution] be violated; and consequently that as the parties to it, they must themselves decide in the last resort, such questions as may be of sufficient magnitude to require their interposition.” - James Madison

Black-Robed Deities Ignore the Constitution Again
Thomas DiLorenzo

RayR wrote:


Sunoverbeach
4 years ago
Nobody is completely useless. You can always be used as a bad example
HockeyDad
4 years ago
I can see Democrats being in favor of sending in the military to enforce vaccine mandates.
RayR
4 years ago

Who do you believe has the authority too disregard SCOTUS rulings and from where/what is such authority derived?

rfenst wrote:



You don't read so good for a lawyer otherwise you wouldn't keep asking me that same question.
It ain't your fault, they probably drummed into your head in lawyer school that the majority opinion of the robbed deities of the SCOTUS were the final arbiters of what is constitutional. Did they also ban you from reading Jefferson and Madison's Principles of '98 (The Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions)?

Here's one of the greatest examples, a President as well as some states telling the SCOTUS to go pound sand.

States' Rights vs. Monetary Monopoly
By Thomas DiLorenzo

May 9, 2003

The federal government today can wage wars without the consent of our congressional representatives, overthrow foreign governments, tax nearly half of national income, abolish civil liberty in the name of "homeland security" and "the war on drugs," legalize and endorse infanticide ("partial-birth abortion"), regulate nearly every aspect of our existence, and there’s little or nothing we can do about it. "Write your congressman" is the refrain of the slave to the state who doesn’t even realize he’s a slave (thanks to decades of government school brainwashing).

But Americans were not always slaves to federal tyranny. Perhaps the best illustration of this is how Americans once utilized the Jeffersonian, states’ rights traditions of nullification and interposition to assist President Andrew Jackson in his campaign to veto the re-chartering of the Second Bank of the United States (BUS) in 1832. Jackson essentially ended central banking in America until it was revived thirty years later by the Lincoln administration. The story is told in James J. Kilpatrick’s wonderful 1957 book, The Sovereign States: Notes of a Citizen of Virginia.

The Bank was notorious for fraud, mismanagement, corruption, and attempts to engineer a "political business cycle." Prior to 1861, the American people were still sovereign over their government. They exercised that sovereignty in the way the founders intended: through state political conventions or legislatures. The federal government was their agent.

More...

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2003/05/thomas-dilorenzo/states-rights-vs-tyranny/ 

bgz
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4 years ago

Nobody is completely useless. You can always be used as a bad example

Sunoverbeach wrote:



Why thank you kind sir, I take that as a complement... to what it completes though I'm not certain.
Sunoverbeach
4 years ago
No target intended. Just the next joke on the list.

Though if you feel complimented, I'm happy to have brightened your weekend
rfenst
4 years ago
RayR @ #16

Please just answer the question in your own words (no links or quotes from any one).

I want to know your personal thoughts off the top of your head, without you doing any research, or posting any links or quotes; no matter how long or short your answer may be and without ad hominem abusive so that I am not distracted by it.

I think this will help me better understand where you are "coming from."
RayR
4 years ago

RayR @ #16

Please just answer the question in your own words (no links or quotes from any one).

I want to know your personal thoughts off the top of your head, without you doing any research, or posting any links or quotes; no matter how long or short your answer may be and without ad hominem abusive so that I am not distracted by it.

I think this will help me better understand where you are "coming from."

rfenst wrote:



Why do you insist on not understanding the position?
It's an easily understood principle of federalism. If the parties to the constitution (the various states) consider federal laws which States solemnly regard as palpably unconstitutional then it is their right to express their opinion that the laws are void, and hence not laws at all. No one signed up to be part of the confederacy of sovereign states and resign their rights to any of the branches of the general government that might go rogue. The Supreme Court is no different from any of the other branches, it is not made up of angels, but made up of partisan political animals, and a majority of them may at times forget what their purpose is.

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