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Whistlebritches
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4 years ago

The Durham investigation........................Russia-Ukraine has certainly been wagging the dog

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Sunoverbeach
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4 years ago

If I could light my own farts, I could fly to the moon... or at least Uranus
- RW

Mike3316
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4 years ago

The Durham investigation........................Russia-Ukraine has certainly been wagging the dog

Whistlebritches wrote:

Don't ask questions or that's proof that you're an agent for Putin. 😳. Lol

bgz
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4 years ago

Yep... now you're on a list -X

Whistlebritches
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4 years ago

Yep... now you're on a list -X

bgz wrote:

I've been on that list a very long time

Speyside2
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4 years ago

No, He is now on the Clinton hit list. Ron, we hardly knew ye.

Mike3316
Connoisseur

4 years ago

I've been on that list a very long time

Whistlebritches wrote:

Be careful. Plenty of people on THAT list have committed Arkancide! 😮

Mr. Jones
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4 years ago

I have a "lifetime pass'" on the Clinton list...
For saving her life in a massive fuel leaking tour bus that I pulled over and warned on a back road in Lancaster , pa
About 300 yards from the airport during the 2015? 2016? Primaries..

HockeyDad
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4 years ago

Mr. Jones wrote:

Bill cut that fuel line. Of one Clinton list, on another Clinton list.

Sunoverbeach
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4 years ago

#10

Men wearing pants so tight that you can tell what religion they are.
- RW

Mike3316
Connoisseur

4 years ago

#11

Mr. Jones wrote:

So its YOUR fault she's still around???? Good to know. lol 🤐

bgz
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4 years ago

#12

So its YOUR fault she's still around???? Good to know. lol 🤐

Mike3316 wrote:

Yeah... first time he brought this up... everyone got mad at him, wouldn't talk to him for a week.

Jones is the greatest poster though, we couldn't stay mad long.

Mike3316
Connoisseur

4 years ago

#13

Jeez..... I dunno. That's a tough one to forgive! 🤨 lol

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Sunoverbeach
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4 years ago

#14

How can you tell if Congress was sick? It's night of the living dead anyway. All those old senators going: "The confederate flag is just the symbol of states' rights." Yeah, and the swastika is just a good luck charm.
- RW

Fun fact: It was a Hindu symbol representing the sun before a certain megalomaniac subverted it

DrMaddVibe
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4 years ago

#15

Judge denies Clinton campaign lawyer's bid to strike Durham snooping revelations

A federal judge presiding over the case against Democratic cybersecurity lawyer Michael Sussmann denied the defendant’s efforts to strike information revealed last month by special counsel John Durham regarding a debunked narrative of a secret link between former President Donald Trump and Russia.

Still, Christopher Cooper, a judge for the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, who heard arguments in the high-profile case Thursday, also criticized the prosecutor running the politically charged inquiry into the origins and conduct of the Russia investigation for his team's filing that led to a new round of spying accusations by Trump and his allies.

Sussmann was indicted last year on charges of allegedly concealing his clients, including Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign, from the FBI when he pushed since-debunked claims of a secret backchannel between the Trump Organization and Russia’s Alfa Bank. He has pleaded not guilty.

In February, Durham said he had evidence showing that Sussmann’s other client, known to be former Neustar executive Rodney Joffe, “exploited” domain name system internet traffic at Trump Tower, Trump’s Central Park West apartment building, and the Executive Office of the President of the United States. That information came in an explosive motion related to potential conflicts of interest within the Sussmann defense team. In response, Sussmann's team filed a motion to strike those allegations from the federal court record, saying Durham’s filing was overbroad and irrelevant.

The prosecution and defense argued their positions on this matter Thursday before the judge.

“I extend the presumption of good faith to all counsel, especially government counsel," Cooper said, adding, “For that and other reasons, I’m not going to strike from the record. First, I’m not in a position to assign ill motives. Second, much if not all of the challenged material will likely be coming out anyway. And finally, whatever effect the filing has had has passed, and striking it will not un-ring the bell and probably will make the bell ring even louder.”

But Cooper added, “I agree with the defense that it was not necessary for me, let alone Mr. Sussmann, to understand the potential conflicts. … I didn’t need any of that ancillary information to do that. … So I don’t understand why the information was included.”

Durham had said in October that Joffe “exploited his own company’s access to the sensitive internet data of a high-ranking executive branch office of the U.S. government, both before and after the Presidential election." Based on the February filing, that office appears to be the aforesaid EOP, suggesting the snooping on Trump continued through at least the presidential transition period.

Cooper, appointed to the federal bench by former President Barack Obama, says he and Sussmann were “professional acquaintances” in the 1990s when they both worked at the Justice Department. In another twist, the judge’s wife represents former FBI lawyer Lisa Page, though Durham’s team never raised the subject to push for a recusal.

DURHAM ADDS TO SPYGATE CHAPTER ON TRUMP TRANSITION PERIOD

Andrew DeFilippis, a prosecutor on Durham's special counsel team, pushed back against the defense’s efforts Thursday, saying, “We believe that the relief being sought here, which would be to strike facts from the public record that sit at the core of the government’s case, would be unprecedented. It’s not supported by the law cited in the defendant’s brief.”

The judge asked why the motion was even necessary.

“The reason we put it in the motion that we did was simply because we just wanted to be extra careful to create a factual record basis for the conflicts,” DeFilippis said, adding, “So we just thought it was important for the record and for Your Honor, frankly, to understand the facts that underlie these potential conflicts.”

Sussmann's defense lawyer Sean Berkowitz retorted, “We wish the special counsel had sent us a draft of the motion — we could’ve vetted this and discussed it and at least done something that wouldn’t have resulted in what were inflammatory press results and things of that nature.” He called these “ancillary issues,” which the defense did not want vetted in a “public setting.”

“This particular dustup strikes me as a sideshow, in a sense. … I understand the need for a factual record … But the factual record could’ve been a consent motion agreed to by both sides, and we could’ve done it in 20 minutes in a status conference,” Cooper ultimately said Thursday. “As to the relevance of the contested material in the factual record, the circumstances surrounding how Mr. Sussmann acquired the information that he conveyed to Mr. Baker … or why Tech Executive-1 had access to the underlying data in the first place, that may well go to the question of who Mr. Sussmann was representing at that meeting.”

Sussmann’s lawyers argued last month that Durham’s filing included false and irrelevant allegations "plainly intended to politicize this case, inflame media coverage, and taint the jury pool.” The lawyers accused Durham of "provocatively and misleadingly" describing the internet traffic potentially associated with Trump and insisted that Sussmann only provided the agency believed to be the CIA with data from before Trump took office.

Lawyers for David Dagon, a Georgia Tech data scientist who allegedly worked with Joffe, said "the cybersecurity researchers were investigating malware in the White House, not spying on the Trump campaign, and to our knowledge, all of the data they used was nonprivate DNS data from before Trump took office.”

A spokesperson for Joffe said the technology executive "legally provided access to DNS data obtained from a private client that separately was providing DNS services to the Executive Office of the President."

Durham stood by his filing shortly thereafter, arguing his reasons for including the information were “valid” and that any media misinterpretations do not “undermine” the facts.

“This court should deny the defendant’s motion,” Durham wrote in a filing last month, adding, “If third parties or members of the media have overstated, understated, or otherwise misinterpreted facts contained in the government’s motion, that does not in any way undermine the valid reasons for the government’s inclusion of this information.”

Cooper said Thursday that much of the “challenged material” would have come out in other motions or during the trial, so he didn’t see a good reason for Durham to have done it at the time that he did.

The judge said, “Until we swear a jury in this case, you folks have an audience of one — and it’s me,” telling DeFilippis that “your pleadings in this case are under a microscope.”

The prosecutor said he “fully understood.”

“Given how much publicity the filings generated … is there anything that you would like to say to clarify the record or correct the record?” Cooper asked Durham’s team Thursday.

“Your Honor, at this stage, I would say no,” DeFilippis replied. “The reason for that being if we worried on all sides about how the press or members of the press would interpret or misinterpret what we said, we don’t want to enter that game of correcting interpretations that are out there. We are being very careful to be accurate with the court. … We think everything we put in the motion was accurate.”

The filing by Durham's team last month that generated a great deal of media attention pointed to the 2021 indictment of Sussmann, alleging that Joffe “exploited his access to non-public and/or proprietary Internet data" and tasked researchers to mine internet data to establish “an inference” and “narrative” tying then-candidate Trump to Russia. Durham said Joffe indicated he was doing this to please certain “VIPs” at Perkins Coie and on the Clinton campaign.

The special counsel said Sussmann claimed in 2017, to the federal agency identified as the CIA, that data he had access to “demonstrated that Trump and/or his associates were using supposedly rare, Russian-made wireless phones in the vicinity of the White House and other locations.” Durham emphasized that he found "no support for these allegations.”

The Alfa Bank allegations began to emerge publicly in the closing weeks of the 2016 election, with Clinton and Jake Sullivan, then a Clinton campaign adviser and now President Joe Biden’s national security adviser, pushing Russia collusion claims on Halloween in the days before the contest.

Michael Horowitz, the Justice Department's inspector general, said in December 2019 that the FBI "concluded by early February 2017 that there were no such links” between Alfa Bank and the Trump Organization.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/judge-denies-clinton-campaign-lawyers-bid-to-strike-durham-snooping-revelations?

Brewha
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4 years ago

#16

THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR CAPTAIN CUT-IN-PASTE!!!

Oops, too late….

Whistlebritches
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4 years ago

#17

THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR CAPTAIN CUT-IN-PASTE!!!

Oops, too late….

Brewha wrote:

So this behaviour towards a presidential candidate/sitting president is perfectly OK provided its Trump or any other republican?

Sunoverbeach
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4 years ago

#18

You could talk about same-sex marriage, but people who have been married (say) ‘It’s the same sex all the time.'
- RW

DrMaddVibe
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4 years ago

#19

So this behaviour towards a presidential candidate/sitting president is perfectly OK provided its Trump or any other republican?

Whistlebritches wrote:

Thanks for the reply on that!

LOL...you ask a question around here and answer it with an appropriately associated news story and the mental midgets flip out like you deflowered their sister and wiped off on the kitchen curtains.

The TDS is STILL strong with that one.

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Sunoverbeach
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4 years ago

#20

Being a famous print journalist is like being the best dressed woman on radio
- RW

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