frankj1
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4 years ago
might not reveal much at all but what if...

1) he verifies Hutchinson's testimony?
Hard as it would be to admit being conned, would righty put the country over the Donald finally?
Would righty finally drop the election fraud charges and believe Team Trump actually tried to steal the election ?

2) discredits Hutchinson's testimony?
Would that put and end to the investigation and lefty admit it was based on personal bias?
Would lefty start to question the trustworthiness of the media?
Would unrelated criminal investigations end?

or...?
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delta1
4 years ago
he will mostly corroborate Hutchinson, but will not sway the right or the left...

facts don't matter to the right...

left thinks right plays by same rules
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MACS
4 years ago
Yeah. Trump tried to "steal" the election...

And 81 million people voted for Biden. GTFO here with that crap.

Ballots appearing in the middle of the night... dominion voting machines... the fix was in.
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delta1
4 years ago
he's still trying...

numerous audits demanded by Trump and the right, and lawsuits filed by the same in nearly every state and the Supreme Court, showed no evidence of widespread fraud...facts

Dominion's defamation lawsuits are proceeding
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RayR
4 years ago
Delta is probably one of those 2000 Mules I heard about.
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frankj1
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4 years ago

Yeah. Trump tried to "steal" the election...

And 81 million people voted for Biden. GTFO here with that crap.

Ballots appearing in the middle of the night... dominion voting machines... the fix was in.

MACS wrote:


remember the Rudy line...we have lots of theories but no evidence...you just listed a few of them that seem believable to you, make sense to you, you want to be true more than anything, and yet all have been disproven repeatedly...
They are exactly the stuff I'm asking if righty would have to swallow as having been conned if Cipollone corroborates other testimony.

I'm asking about Cipollone corroborating testimony, if he does, you'd actually question him too?

He was probably Trump's top attorney/legal mind in the White House and has allegedly said he repeatedly warned Trump and Meadows (Hutchinson's direct boss) they were risking big trouble. Why would he advise that?

If he did, if it leads to proof that Trump & Co ignored the election truth, lied to you and everyone else, it wouldn't get you to admit you bought the Big Lie?

BTW, Dominion just might be awarded zillions for having the claims about their machines absolutely discredited in every single case.


And before you ask, if it all turns out to be a big conspiracy, I'll be at the front of the line saying I bought a story...
Hey, I was shocked, shocked...that Clinton really did lie under oath about a ****.
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frankj1
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4 years ago
lie about a B. J.
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MACS
4 years ago

lie about a B. J.

frankj1 wrote:



And that was all it was, too, right? Just a Beej? He never tapped it?

The problem I have, Frank, is all these mother f---ers do is LIE to us. Again, and again. They lied about Russian collusion, they lied about the Steel Dossier, they lied about the phone calls... remember when Schiff had the smoking gun? And it never materialized?

You believe it because you want it to be true, no?

If they have rock solid, no BS... can't be refuted evidence, yep... I will say "Sonofabeotch... they got me".

Problem is... it ain't gonna happen. The dog and pony show will continue.
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Sunoverbeach
4 years ago
You rang?

Oops, guess not. Close tho
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Speyside2
4 years ago
Hey guys, here is a pretty good article about how a lie can become someone's truth.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20161026-how-liars-create-the-illusion-of-truth 

There is another great article from NIH, but the math is BGZ and Celtic Bomber type of stuff.

The article simply talks about humans. It is not about politics or religion.
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frankj1
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4 years ago

And that was all it was, too, right? Just a Beej? He never tapped it?

The problem I have, Frank, is all these mother f---ers do is LIE to us. Again, and again. They lied about Russian collusion, they lied about the Steel Dossier, they lied about the phone calls... remember when Schiff had the smoking gun? And it never materialized?

You believe it because you want it to be true, no?

If they have rock solid, no BS... can't be refuted evidence, yep... I will say "Sonofabeotch... they got me".

Problem is... it ain't gonna happen. The dog and pony show will continue.

MACS wrote:


good enough for me, knowing you as I do.

So, my next question is: would Cipollone saying it happened do the trick?

btw, Mark Meadows was registered to vote in three states. Does that discredit anything he says?
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8trackdisco
4 years ago
Mind numbing.

The margins are so tight and both left and right wingers so locked into their "knowledge" of the ALL situations, all the facts in the world (if the truth even moderately favored one side or the other) it wouldn't matter.

The extremists will simply continue to rip and tear us apart. Mind numbingly stupid and short sided.

Step on the gas- let's become Syria as soon as possible. That is the path we are on.

Let's get good and weak so when Gavin surrenders California to the Chinese, we get learn Mandarin on our mandatory Tic-Tok phones.

](*,)
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frankj1
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4 years ago

Mind numbing.

The margins are so tight and both left and right wingers so locked into their "knowledge" of the ALL situations, all the facts in the world (if the truth even moderately favored one side or the other) it wouldn't matter.

The extremists will simply continue to rip and tear us apart. Mind numbingly stupid and short sided.

Step on the gas- let's become Syria as soon as possible. That is the path we are on.

Let's get good and weak so when Gavin surrenders California to the Chinese, we get learn Mandarin on our mandatory Tic-Tok phones.

](*,)

8trackdisco wrote:


I hope you're wrong!
I don't feel like a winger.

Maybe Robert can tell me that I'm over thinking things by assuming Cipollone's testimony could make or break either side.
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HockeyDad
4 years ago

I hope you're wrong!
I don't feel like a winger.

Maybe Robert can tell me that I'm over thinking things by assuming Cipollone's testimony could make or break either side.

frankj1 wrote:




Yeah…you’re a winger!

Hey, who’s Cipollone?
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borndead1
4 years ago

Yeah. Trump tried to "steal" the election...

And 81 million people voted for Biden. GTFO here with that crap.

Ballots appearing in the middle of the night... dominion voting machines... the fix was in.

MACS wrote:




And the 80+ judges who heard (and dismissed) all the claims were all in on it, too?

Here's the one question you need to ask (and it's really the only question to ask of ANY conspiracy theory): How many people would it take to keep it a secret? If the answer is more than 'a few', there's probably nothing to it.

Just one example of how a state can flip: Trump won Michigan in 2016 by just over 10,000 votes. Obama won Michigan in 2012 by 450,000 votes. So the idea that MI only went back to blue because of vote stealing is ridiculous.

And Dominion has either won their defamation lawsuits or had their lawsuits greenlit to go forward by several courts. They couldn't have done that if there was actual evidence that they committed fraud.
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8trackdisco
4 years ago

I hope you're wrong!
I don't feel like a winger.

Maybe Robert can tell me that I'm over thinking things by assuming Cipollone's testimony could make or break either side.

frankj1 wrote:




You are an unreasonably reasonable person. Maybe you are a Cleavage Guy on a discount cigar website where 98.2% of the people posting in the Politics section are suckling exclusively on either the right or left nipple while damning the other breast.

Us motorboatin’ sumbichtes may prefer the right or left breast, but we aren’t cutting the other off.
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8trackdisco
4 years ago

And the 80+ judges who heard (and dismissed) all the claims were all in on it, too?

Here's the one question you need to ask (and it's really the only question to ask of ANY conspiracy theory): How many people would it take to keep it a secret? If the answer is more than 'a few', there's probably nothing to it.

borndead1 wrote:



Generally, I agree. The exception would be the JFK assassination. The whole Warren Commission really believes that report?
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borndead1
4 years ago

Generally, I agree. The exception would be the JFK assassination. The whole Warren Commission really believes that report?

8trackdisco wrote:




The JFK assassination is actually one of the examples I use to illustrate my theory.

Let's say, just for the sake of argument, that the earth really is flat. How many people would it take to keep that a secret? It would take every person who has ever worked for any space agency, in any country on earth, ever. That's how many people it would take to keep that a secret.

Now, contrast that with the JFK assassination. That could have been planned and executed by fewer than 10 people. Realistically, fewer than 5 people.
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8trackdisco
4 years ago

The JFK assassination is actually one of the examples I use to illustrate my theory.

Let's say, just for the sake of argument, that the earth really is flat. How many people would it take to keep that a secret? It would take every person who has ever worked for any space agency, in any country on earth, ever. That's how many people it would take to keep that a secret.

Now, contrast that with the JFK assassination. That could have been planned and executed by fewer than 10 people. Realistically, fewer than 5 people.

borndead1 wrote:



Planned and executed by 5 or 10 people. Let’s say you are right. How do those 5 people do a job so messy, with so many loose strings (until the witnesses died) that they were able to leave rage the 20? People on the Warren Commision.

That puts 25 people in on the sting. It is still what is pushed as the end of the story, with a larger dose of Nothing to See Here, Move Along.
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borndead1
4 years ago

Planned and executed by 5 or 10 people. Let’s say you are right. How do those 5 people do a job so messy, with so many loose strings (until the witnesses died) that they were able to leave rage the 20? People on the Warren Commision.

That puts 25 people in on the sting. It is still what is pushed as the end of the story, with a larger dose of Nothing to See Here, Move Along.

8trackdisco wrote:



Politicians generally defer to 'the experts', especially when cameras are on them. It's a sort of 'get out of jail free card' for them.

Or, possibly, the core group of conspirators had leverage on a few people on the Warren Commission. I do believe that sh*t happens. There's video somewhere of someone saying that every bedroom of the Playboy mansion had cameras in it. I'm sure Epstein's hotel was set up the same way. Even in these cases, it would only take a small handful of people to put the screws to 1 person.

I'm talking about the number of people required to pull off a major heist (for lack of a better term). Perpetuating the lie is definitely related, but it's sort of a different discussion.
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