Brewha
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3 years ago
Thirty Four Felony Counts

- Seems Don has been a bit naughty!

All 34 counts are "FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE"

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-indictment-full-text-read-court-document-rcna78051 
(Thank you Mr. Fenst)

However a convicted felon can still be elected President. So make the donations TONIGHT!
DrafterX
3 years ago
He was just being a little careless... 😟
corey sellers
3 years ago
He wanted to be caught good publicity
BuckyB93
3 years ago
98.2% of the folks working on Capitol Hill are felons that have not been tried.

Let's face it, this is a political stunt from one side that will amount to nothing other than fodder for the mass media to talk about.

Sadly, the Dems want to vilify Trump and use him and the headlines to deflect things. Not sure, in the long run, it's a good move. Keeping him in the headlines will probably backfire.
Abrignac
3 years ago

Thirty Four Felony Counts

- Seems Don has been a bit naughty!

All 34 counts are "FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE"

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-indictment-full-text-read-court-document-rcna78051 
(Thank you Mr. Fenst)

However a convicted felon can still be elected President. So make the donations TONIGHT!

Brewha wrote:



I wouldn’t be jumping for joy just yet. Supposedly the crime that Trump was covering up was that he made the entries to influence an election. Problem is the election took place before, not after the entries were made. An inconvenient truth, but who really cares. Damn the torpedoes. Full steam ahead.
ZRX1200
3 years ago
I think you underestimate how invested the left is in this.
DrMaddVibe
3 years ago
Irony Alert: Judge Ordered Stormy to Pay Trump $121K Today


As Trump was arraigned in Manhattan, a separate federal court ruled the actress owed the former president for legal fees

The fallout from Donald Trump’s alleged affair with Stormy Daniels landed him in court on Tuesday — but stuck her with a hefty bill.

A federal appeals court has ordered Daniels to pay Trump’s lawyers over $121,000 in legal fees stemming from her failed defamation suit against the former president.

The former adult film star filed the suit alleging that Trump had defamed her by publicly ridiculing her allegation that an unknown man threatened her and her daughter over an abandoned In Touch Magazine story about what she claimed was a 2006 affair with Trump during a celebrity golf tournament.

Daniels claimed that shortly after she began cooperating with the magazine, an unnamed man had approached her saying “Leave Trump alone. Forget the story” and “That’s a beautiful little girl. It’d be a shame if something happened to her mom,” in reference to her infant daughter.

President Trump ridiculed Daniels’ claims in a 2018 tweet, claiming that it was “A sketch years later about a nonexistent man” and “A total can job,” prompting the defamation suit.

A court dismissed the case and ruled that Trump’s tweet constituted “rhetorical hyperbole,” and ordered Daniels to pay Trump’s legal fees under a statute intended to curb so-called strategic lawsuits against public participation.

Daniels and Trump have repeatedly clashed in court over whether she owed Trump attorneys fees and, most recently, how much she owed.

Daniels had earlier told NBC News earlier that she would “go to jail before I pay a penny” and blamed her former attorney, Michael Avenatti, for allegedly filing the suit against her will. Avenatti was sentenced to 14 years in prison last year for stealing money from clients and tax fraud.

In a decision handed down Tuesday, the 9th Circuit brushed aside Daniels’ challenge to the staffing and fees charged by the Dhillon Law Group, which represented Trump, calling them reasonable.

On Truth Social, Trump’s sons Eric and Don Jr. both cheered the ruling.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/stormy-daniels-donald-trump-legal-fees-1234709641/ 


Get back on the pole Stormy!

130K-121K=[frypan] [whip] [frypan]
RiverRatRuss
3 years ago
I told the bartender todays Beer should be on You...

He's a diehard Trumper... and it was named "The Day of the DON" BwaaaHaaa!!! 🇨🇮
Brewha
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3 years ago

I wouldn’t be jumping for joy just yet. Supposedly the crime that Trump was covering up was that he made the entries to influence an election. Problem is the election took place before, not after the entries were made. An inconvenient truth, but who really cares. Damn the torpedoes. Full steam ahead.

Abrignac wrote:



So, right and proper, he get his day in court.
RiverRatRuss
3 years ago

So, right and proper, he get his day in court.

Brewha wrote:



I'm still waiting for Hillary's day in court and Bill with the Clinton Foundation and Haitti's crisis assistance? Hunter Bidens Sueing of the computer company that leaked the info he wasn't involved in and Joe's day before Senate Hearings on Classified Documents laying around at 3-4 different locations Not Secured in a Safe like Trumps were upon the Mar'Largo Raid...


I'm just waiting for the Fair and Justice for ALL!!! 🇨🇮
Brewha
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Sadly, the Dems want to vilify Trump and use him and the headlines to deflect things. Not sure, in the long run, it's a good move. Keeping him in the headlines will probably backfire.

BuckyB93 wrote:



Point well taken.

Look at what Trumps' base love about him; He is a rule breaker, outspoken, rude, racist and hated by many Americans who do not agree with the far Right agenda. And the MAGA crowd love him for it.

Even if convicted as a felon he can still be re-elected.
And his base will see conviction as a merit badge - and he will sell it as the Purple Heart he got "protecting America".

Brewha
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I'm still waiting for Hillary's day in court and Bill with the Clinton Foundation and Haitti's crisis assistance? Hunter Bidens Sueing of the computer company that leaked the info he wasn't involved in and Joe's day before Senate Hearings on Classified Documents laying around at 3-4 different locations Not Secured in a Safe like Trumps were upon the Mar'Largo Raid...


I'm just waiting for the Fair and Justice for ALL!!! 🇨🇮

RiverRatRuss wrote:



I know, I know - poor Don 😢
ZRX1200
3 years ago
Yeah Cheeto should have used campaign money and gotten help from the RNC for payment like Hilldog did. When it was a fined misdemeanor and not past the SOL.
BuckyB93
3 years ago
I'm as tired of Trump as much as anyone but the Dems keep kicking the hornet's nest. By continually dredging up some trumped up charges on the guy only keeps him in the headlines (which he loves) and opens up opportunities and sets a precedent for the Reps to so the same.

EVERYONE on Capital Hill has skeletons in the closet and have bent, if not broken the rules along the way. The charges he's being accused of are a misdemeanor, but the zealous NY DA wants to force feed them into a felony. I'm not a lawyer but from reading it seems pretty weak but it makes headlines.

Be careful for what you ask for. The current administration is ripe for the pickings for $hit more serious than these rather benign charges that Trump is being accused of.

Exhibit #1: Hunter Biden, his cohorts and the puddle of a President we have sleeping in the White House tonight.
rfenst
3 years ago
You may not like the source, but this is a straight forward, pretty unbiased, thorough and quick explanation of the legal issues:


Five Take aways from the Trump Indictment in New York
How a misdemeanor — falsifying business records — was elevated to 34 felony charges

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Former president Donald Trump appeared in a courtroom in Lower Manhattan on Tuesday where he pleaded not guilty to 34 felony counts brought by a grand jury last week.

The appearance was the culmination of enormous speculation and media attention that followed him from his home in Mar-a-Lago to Trump Tower in New York and then to the courtroom. In the end, the new revelations that emerged from the release of the charges were incremental, but important. Below, five takeaways from the indictment and arraignment.


1. The 34 charges center on how payments to attorney Michael Cohen were recorded — at 34 different times.
The indictment centers on the previously reported effort in 2016 to bury a story alleging an extramarital relationship between Trump and adult-film actress Stormy Daniels. That effort involved a payment of $130,000 to Daniels paid by Michael Cohen, then Trump’s attorney.

A statement of facts released by the office of Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg details the prosecutors’ case. Cohen, it alleges, agreed in consultation with Trump and Trump Organization Chief Financial Officer Allen Weisselberg that the attorney should receive $420,000 in reimbursement, a sum including enough for Cohen to offset the increase in federal income tax he would need to pay.

According to the statement, this total was allegedly recorded on a bank statement (suggesting documentary evidence) and agreed to by Trump himself in an Oval Office meeting with Cohen. The sum was then repaid in a series of monthly checks that were allegedly recorded by the Trump Organization as being a monthly retainer for Cohen.

That’s where the 34 charges accrue. There were 11 payments, in each month from February 2017 to December 2017. Each payment was recorded on the check and in ledgers as a retainer payment, despite the alleged lack of a legitimate retainer agreement.

Falsification of business records in the second degree is a misdemeanor charge. If, however, the falsification is meant to cover up some other criminal act, it becomes a felony. That’s what Bragg’s office alleges happened.


2. The grand jury elevated the charges to a felony based on the illegality of the payments.
It’s here that the details of the payments really matter. In its statement of facts, Bragg’s office outlines how Cohen and David Pecker, the former CEO of American Media, Inc. (AMI), allegedly worked with Trump to orchestrate payments to multiple parties. That included Daniels, former Playboy model Karen McDougal (who received a payment of $150,000 from AMI, the publisher of the National Enquirer) and a $30,000 payment from AMI to a Trump Tower doorman that was reported by the New Yorker in 2018.

In the abstract, a company like AMI paying McDougal or the doorman to bury their stories is legal. If they want to sell the rights to a private company, they may do so. But these payments, Bragg’s office alleges, violated the law and, therefore, warranted felony falsification charges.

Bragg explained the two predicates for that argument in a news conference on Tuesday afternoon.

“The first is New York state election law, which makes it a crime to conspire to promote a candidacy by unlawful means,” he said. “I further indicated a number of unlawful means, including additional false statements, including statements that were planned to be made to tax authorities. I also noted the federal election-law cap on contribution limits.”

The state charge, as The Washington Post wrote in January, appears to focus on a statute that makes it illegal to “conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means.”

The federal crime is less vague. If the payments were intended to keep negative stories from coming out before the 2016 election, then the payments were political spending. And if they were political spending from a candidate or an agent of the candidate’s campaign, they are subject to contribution limits and reporting requirements. These payments, obviously, weren’t reported. The legal question, then, centers on whether the payments were aimed at influencing the election.

The statement of facts gets at that. It notes that while Trump was never charged with either a state or federal crime, Cohen pleaded guilty to charges related to both the McDougal and Daniels payments. It also notes that AMI admitted to federal prosecutors that it participated in an effort to influence the election by making its payments.

That said, this is relatively novel terrain. Perhaps with that in mind, the documents make an effort to demonstrate why state or federal charges could have been filed.


3. Prosecutors allege evidence explicitly demonstrating that Trump knew the payments were focused on the election.
Cohen had previously implicated Trump in the effort when he offered his guilty plea, but, since there were never charges filed against Trump, there was no evidence presented to prove that Trump knew that the intent was to boost his 2016 bid. One of the most telling aspects of the statement of facts — arguments that will need to be proved in court — is that it ties Trump into all of these.

For example, it was understood that Cohen (identified as “Lawyer A”) dragged his feet in paying Daniels (“Woman 2”) after her story was conveyed to Trump’s team by AMI. The document released Tuesday links that to Trump.

“The Defendant directed Lawyer A to delay making a payment to Woman 2 as long as possible,” it reads. “He instructed Lawyer A that if they could delay the payment until after the election, they could avoid paying altogether, because at that point it would not matter if the story became public.”

At another point, it references a conversation Trump and Cohen had about buying the McDougal story from AMI. That conversation was recorded and published in 2018 and made obvious that Trump’s electoral viability was a focus.


4. Trump allegedly thanked David Pecker for aiding his campaign.
It’s been understood for some time that Pecker and AMI aimed to help Trump’s campaign. The statement of facts published on Tuesday begins in August 2015, the point at which Pecker reportedly first reached out to Trump and Cohen about his willingness to buy and bury negative stories.

“Between Election Day and Inauguration Day, during the period of the Defendant’s transition to his role as President, the Defendant met with the AMI CEO privately in Trump Tower in Manhattan,” the statement of facts alleges. “The Defendant thanked the AMI CEO for handling the stories of the Doorman and Woman 1, and invited the AMI CEO to the Inauguration. In the summer of 2017, the Defendant invited the AMI CEO to the White House for a dinner to thank him for his help during the campaign.”

This presumably came from Pecker himself, who testified before the grand jury that indicted Trump. It reinforces the idea that Trump understood the payments to be related to the campaign.


5. In court, Trump was warned about his public comments on the case.
At the arraignment itself, lawyers and New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan discussed Trump’s public rhetoric about the case, which has already included enthusiastic disparagement of the criminal charges and Bragg.

“Please refrain from making statements that are likely to incite violence or civil unrest …” Merchan said, “making comments that have potential to incite violence, create civil unrest or jeopardize the state or well-being of any individuals.”

No gag order was put in place but there is relevant precedent from Trump’s circle. In 2019, a federal judge barred Trump ally Roger Stone from social media after he posted incendiary attacks as he was facing trial.
frankj1
3 years ago
nice to read an unemotional breakdown.
DrafterX
3 years ago
I heard Dr Jill asked Joe to invite Bragg to da Whitehouse... 😟
DrMaddVibe
3 years ago

I heard Dr Jill asked Joe to invite Bragg to da Whitehouse... 😟

DrafterX wrote:




Only champions get invited, but Dr Jill was confused and wanted all DA's to visit.
RayR
3 years ago
“There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.”
burning_sticks
3 years ago
The state charge, as The Washington Post wrote in January, appears to focus on a statute that makes it illegal to “conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means.”

So isn't this exactly what Hillary did with the Russian Files she provided prior to the 2016 election? I'll hold my breath till DA Bragg empanels a grand jury..

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