rfenst
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3 years ago
RayR
3 years ago
We are heading for THE GREAT DEFAULT. More people are waking up to the fact that the emperor has no clothes. There is no political will by either party to reverse course from the abyss in any meaningful way. Mainly because that thing collectively called the government can't suffer the pain, the self-flagellation it would have to inflict on itself to atone for its sins.

Da White House is fearmongering as to what will happen if the gubment isn't able to spend ad infinitum. In Life After Default, they tell you children will starve and die, grandma will get pushed off the cliff, we will all be thrown out in the street from our houses and apartments, we will all suffer and die from pandemics and stuff, and the great socialist experiments will collapse.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/cea/written-materials/2021/10/06/life-after-default/ 

DrafterX
3 years ago
I sure hope Biden learns his lesson... ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ
DrMaddVibe
3 years ago

I sure hope Biden learns his lesson... ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ

DrafterX wrote:



He lacks brain matter to talk, I'm positive learning isn't happening with Pedo Joe.
DrafterX
3 years ago
Just remembering when Pelosi and Chuck were laughing at Trump for signing their bloated budget. Then blamed him for increasing the debt. ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ
rfenst
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3 years ago

Just remembering when Pelosi and Chuck were laughing at Trump for signing their bloated budget. Then blamed him for increasing the debt. ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ

DrafterX wrote:


Remembe the scene inn the oval office with Pelosi, Shumer and Trump over budget/increasing the debt limit?

Trump said he didn't care- if they wouldn't give him what he wanted- and said he would shut the country down. Shumer made a funny comment like please say that again into the camera- or someithing like that- daring Trump to do that.

Final agreement by thosel innvolved in any negotiations requires compormise and movement far off from the initial positions. It will happen here to, but the brinksmanship by both sides is pathetic.
HockeyDad
3 years ago
Government passes a law to create a debt ceiling. Government then passes laws that borrow more money and will be blocked by the debt ceiling law which they fully knew at the time. Government then declares a crisis. Government them comes together and passes a law to raise the debt ceiling. Government is hailed as heroes for solving the crisis and receives a ticker tape parade.

Secured by the full faith and credit of the United States.

deadeyedick
3 years ago
"We pay our debts."

Screw the chillin and the chillin's chillin. โœ‹
HockeyDad
3 years ago

"We pay our debts."

Screw the chillin and the chillin's chillin. โœ‹

deadeyedick wrote:




We will make them wish they were aborted. And whatโ€™s with this heat? Theyโ€™re gonna love climate change.
RayR
3 years ago
The hypocrisy of these political elitists cannot be missed by those who are paying attention. They are all responsible for the bloated budget and the insurmountable bloated national debt crisis. Compromise my azz, they are taking the former republic on the road to hell.

They both really want to raise the debt ceiling again and again because they fear the political implications, like being called bad names for not doing so, but they will be called bad names by the other side regardless even, if not especially if they take a principled constitutional stance on government spending.

I always thought that phrase that the national debt is "Secured by the full faith and credit of the United States" was fodder for idjuts. What it really means is that the general government's debts are backed ONLY by acts of legalized violence, to pillage and plunder the economy as they so choose.
DrafterX
3 years ago
I've got 2 pitchforks now... ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ
rfenst
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3 years ago
Why I Changed My Mind on the Debt Limit


By Laurence H. Tribe

At this moment, at the White House as well as the Departments of Treasury and Justice, officials are debating a legal theory that previous presidents and any number of legal experts โ€” including me โ€” ruled out in 2011, when the Obama administration confronted a default.

The theory builds on Section 4 of the 14th Amendment to argue that Congress, without realizing it, set itself on a path that would violate the Constitution when, in 1917, it capped the size of the federal debt. Over the years, Congress has raised the debt ceiling scores of times, most recently two years ago, when it set the cap at $31.4 trillion. We hit that amount on Jan. 19 and are being told that the โ€œextraordinary measuresโ€ Treasury has available to get around it are about to run out. When that happens, all hell will break loose.
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Section 4 of the 14th Amendment says the โ€œvalidityโ€ of the public debt โ€œshall not be questionedโ€ โ€” ever. Proponents of the unconstitutionality argument say that when Congress enacted the debt limit, effectively forcing the United States to stop borrowing to honor its debts when that limit was reached, it built a violation of that constitutional command into our fiscal structure, and that as a result, that limit and all that followed are invalid.

Iโ€™ve never agreed with that argument. It raises thorny questions about the appropriate way to interpret the text: Does Section 4, read properly, prohibit anything beyond putting the federal government into default? If so, which actions does it forbid? And, most important, could this interpretation open the door for dangerous presidential overreach, if Section 4 empowers the president single-handedly to declare laws he dislikes unconstitutional?
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The question isnโ€™t whether the president can in effect become a one-person Supreme Court, striking down laws passed by Congress.
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And there is only one person with the power to give Congress that answer: the president of the United States. As a practical matter, what that means is this: Mr. Biden must tell Congress in no uncertain terms โ€” and as soon as possible, before itโ€™s too late to avert a financial crisis โ€” that the United States will pay all its bills as they come due, even if the Treasury Department must borrow more than Congress has said it can.

By taking that position, the president would not be usurping Congressโ€™s lawmaking power or its power of the purse. Nor would he be usurping the Supreme Courtโ€™s power to โ€œsay what the law is,โ€ as Chief Justice John Marshall once put it. Mr. Biden would simply be doing his duty to โ€œtake care that the laws be faithfully executedโ€ even if doing so leaves one law โ€” the borrowing limit first enacted in 1917 โ€” temporarily on the cutting room floor.
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For a president to pick the lesser of two evils when no other option exists is the essence of constitutional leadership, not the action of a tyrant. And there is no doubt that ignoring the debt ceiling until Congress either raises or abolishes it is a lesser evil than leaving those with lawful claims against the Treasury out in the cold.
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In any event, Section 4 prohibits the president from permanently stiffing our creditors โ€” even those required to wait their turn after the Treasury runs dry. So even if Speaker Kevin McCarthy and those pulling his strings succeed in making some of those creditors wait, it wouldnโ€™t eliminate our debts; it would merely replace them with i.o.u.s. And thatโ€™s just debt in another form.

All Congress would have done is create economic catastrophe on top of constitutional crisis โ€” and without securing compliance with the debt ceiling that Republican claim to want. The only way out of this forest is through the trees.





Mr. Tribe has advised three Democratic presidents on constitutional issues involving the separation of powers and the 14th Amendment.
RayR
3 years ago
Our LEFTY weasely statist law professor sure has a way of beating around the bushes around the forest of trees in that NYT Op-Ed.
Well of course he "has advised three Democratic presidents on constitutional issues involving the separation of powers and the 14th Amendment."
What exactly has he changed his mind on?

I love the picture of the evil lizard people they chose before the scaremongering sign. JUST PERFECT!

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/07/opinion/debt-limit.html 
Mr. Jones
3 years ago
Here's "THE MR.JONES SOLUTION TO THE GREAT DEFAULT & DEBT CEILING DEBACLE"...

AND IT IS GOOD....

*CUT ALL FORIEGN AID BY 30-40% ACROSS THE BOARD...
ONE exception is Isreal...

*NATIONALIZE AND SEIZE A.N.Y. AND ALL BUSINESS BLDGS, LAND HOLDINGS AND CASH/ SAFE DEPOSIT BOXES OF ANY official CHINESE citizen HOLDINGS IN THE U.S...

And finally...
* tell the CCP TO LICK UNCLE SAMS STARFISH AND TELL THOSE LANTERN FLY, LOCUST BORE, FAKE LADY BUG SPECIES, WALKING FISH DECIMATING VA AND MARYLAND, LEAD IN TOY IMPORTS AND TOTAL DISREGARD TO OUR ENVIRONMENT AND THAT WE ARE S.T.I.F.F.I.N.G. THOSE CHI-CHOM BASTIDS OUT OR OUR ENTIRE TREASURY BOND "THINGYS" THEY BOUGHT LIKE RABID DOGS FOR YRS & YRS & YRS...AND FREEZE EVERY CHINESE BANK ACCT AND SEIZE ALL HOLDINGS IN NORTH AMERICA...

That'll " learn emmmmm"...

Bwuuuuhahahahaha!!!

deadeyedick
3 years ago
Thats a switch. Jonesy calling for the government to take private monies. ๐Ÿค”
RayR
3 years ago
Yes, I think that would start a bad precedent, before you know it, the government will start thinking it has the right to arbitrarily confiscate private property from Americans too.
OH WAIT! They already do that, they've got the IRS and Civil Asset Forfeiture laws and other stuff.
HockeyDad
3 years ago
I expect President Biden will need to invoke the 31st amendment to raise the debt ceiling.
RayR
3 years ago

I expect President Biden will need to invoke the 31st amendment to raise the debt ceiling.

HockeyDad wrote:



That's what dicktator would do.
rfenst
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3 years ago
National default, on any Treasury Bond holder or the like, would kill international investment and supporting of our economy.

Taking Chinese property and financial instruments would result in them never buying property or Treasury Bonds and the like again.

The rest of the world would chit-bricks too. Rates would have to increase dramatically to attract foriegn money to what would be considered a very risky investment.

No bueno at all in any way.
HockeyDad
3 years ago
I agree with rfenst. The USA cannot exist without an ever increasing national debt.
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