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GreenWolf70 Offline
#101 Posted: Thu, Feb 28 2008, 4:44 PM EST
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I'm sorry TG's endless ramblings put me to sleep.

Bingo TG, you are right about the coating, except, from my experience, the coating on the KL is the same as the coating on the 65% beads. Since I use KL, I can change them at little cost, if the performance is falling off, like when I replaced all my expensive cigar beads with KL because they were not holding RH. Since they were throwing off so much humidity, I even have used them to recharge my KL at times. I guess when they fracture it breaks the coating. Who knew?

In my 150 Quart Coolerdors I use several tied off pieces of my wife's old panty hose to hold a pound or so of KL. But a sock will work just s well. I have never measured but I think I'm using at least 2.5 to 3 pounds of KL in each coolerdor.

In my humidors I buy the little rice sacks for weddings at WallyWorld and fill them with KL.

As far as recharging, I throw a clean rag dampened with Distilled Water (DW) in the Coolerdor when the RH drops to the low 60's. If the RH is back up to 66-67% then I take it out (usually no more than a day). Some folks just dampen their Spanish Cedar and accomplish the same thing. For those coolerdors, recharging is a 2 or 3 times a year occurance. They hold RH remarkably well.

The smaller bags I put in a ziplok container (you know the cheap tupperware replacements) with a clean rag dampened with DW. When RH drops in one of the humis I take one out and put a recharged one in. I do this every couple of weeks because I am in and out of those humis getting smokes on a daily basis.

Since none of my humis or coolerdors are aluminium, I don't worry about the corrosion issue. In fact, if my beads are slowly turning yellow and that great aroma waifs up when you open the lid, I know that my cigars are cooking the way they should.
fishinguitarman Offline
#102 Posted: Thu, Feb 28 2008, 5:16 PM EST
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cello on..............
MACS Offline
#103 Posted: Thu, Feb 28 2008, 5:31 PM EST
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I don't spray water on my cigar beads, I POUR distilled water directly on them.

They work fine.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#104 Posted: Thu, Feb 28 2008, 5:51 PM EST
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That's funny GW.

I'm amused (I believe TW is too) by the level of zeal which you persue KL versus Cigar beads threads. To you, it's a goddammed religion, it's farking hillarious. Anytime someone says something contradictory to what you think or believe you come back with an asinie, insulting or berating response.

If it works for you great, I'm glad you found your holy grail of cigar humidification.

First you contradict yourself with your made up facts in the same thread with your earlier statements of that "They are the EXACT same product repackaged", now you say they aren't. If the were the exact same product repackaged, then they would behave the same, and work the same.

Now you're claiming that KL has a coating that is designed to inhibit the flow of moisture. Funny, the use of that sounds rather counter productive to a product that was designed to soak up cat urine.

Furthermore, the urea molecules, which is what kitty litter is designed to trap (then the KL will will slowly evaporate off the water) are considerably larger than a water molecule would not pass through the coating on a standard cigar or art bead. If the urea were to sit on the outside of the bead, you'd be giving up all the odor control, might as well just pour a bag of constuction sand into the litter box.

I'd recommend that in the future, when you decide to start making up technical information, you stop to think if it actually makes sense before you toss it out there and you try not to contradict yourself in the same thread.

Logical agruments aside, since in the past you have repeatdily proven yourself to be incapble of understanding them, let's just cut right down to it:

The ExquisiCat Pearl Fresh litter beads that you recommend are not coated, nor are they exactly the same as the cigar beads. They do function similarly but they are not the same product.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#105 Posted: Thu, Feb 28 2008, 5:51 PM EST
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104 was for 101.
Odylic Offline
#106 Posted: Fri, Feb 29 2008, 2:58 AM EST
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from everything i have read, the cigar and art beads are not coated either, otherwise, they would become useless if they fracture.

And by all accounts from manufacturers/resellers, the beads will work the same whether or not they are fractured.

The only reason why there could be percieved issues with fractured beads is that the result would be a tighter packing of the material so there would be less airflow around them.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#107 Posted: Fri, Feb 29 2008, 5:12 AM EST
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Ody,

Good point.

There is more than one way to make a humidity bead, but there is only one brand and type of KL that is useasble for a similiar purpose - I might be talking about a different manufacturer than the one you are refering to, or maybe not. Hard to say, since the primary cigar bead reseller does not manufacture the products.

Anyway, at this point, in the process of beating this to death I think we've been succussfull in getting some BOTLs to think about these things before jumping blindly into one product or the other and hopefull to also think about their situation before blindly going the way of beads - other humidifers might work better for them, beads are not the ultimate solution. I have a number of different types of humidifiers, all depends on the purpose.

I'm sure BEADAMAVEN (aka GreenWolf70) would like to make up some more closing remarks or possibly cartoons, so I'll turn the mic over to him now.
MACS Offline
#108 Posted: Fri, Feb 29 2008, 5:17 AM EST
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LMAO @ TG!
teedubbya Offline
#109 Posted: Fri, Feb 29 2008, 5:21 AM EST
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I've had my HF beads for a long time.... if they lose their magic I can attest it certainly is not very quickly
MACS Offline
#110 Posted: Fri, Feb 29 2008, 5:43 AM EST
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Me too, Teedub. At least 3+ years and they still work fine. They're a little yellow now, but work like a charm.
GreenWolf70 Offline
#111 Posted: Fri, Feb 29 2008, 6:17 AM EST
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Whose the zealot? TG and his disciples...How many posts do you have in this thread? Maybe half? Who is the "Bead" Prophet, if not you?

I just jot down my experiences with KL and rant on endlessly trying to drown out any dissent to your almighty pontifications.

What a blowhard!
teedubbya Offline
#112 Posted: Fri, Feb 29 2008, 6:32 AM EST
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how do you know how hard he blows?

not that there is anything wrong wit that

thats between you and the gerbs
RandyB Offline
#113 Posted: Fri, Feb 29 2008, 8:27 AM EST
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Ram might get jeolouse.
GreenWolf70 Offline
#114 Posted: Fri, Feb 29 2008, 7:02 PM EST
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Well I ain't Richard Gere that's for sure.
maddman Offline
#115 Posted: Fri, Feb 29 2008, 8:46 PM EST
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silica bound with litium chloride

Appearance: white granules.

Warning! Causes eye and skin irritation. Harmful if swallowed or absorbed through the skin. May cause central nervous system effects.

Target Organs: Central nervous system, eyes, skin, lungs, kidneys.

Potential Health Effects

Eye: Causes moderate eye irritation. Causes redness and pain. May cause visual abnormalities including: blurring, abnormal color vision, loss of sight.

Skin: Causes severe skin irritation. Harmful if absorbed through the skin. Prolonged absorption may affect electrolyte balance and impair kidney function. Dehydration, weight loss, skin effects, and thyroid disturbances have been reported. Repeated or prolonged exposure may cause drying and cracking of the skin.

Ingestion: Harmful if swallowed. May cause gastrointestinal irritation with nausea, vomiting and diarrhea. May cause central nervous system effects. May cause blood electrolyte disturbances. Large doses of lithium may cause dizziness, prostration, and kidney damage. Dehydration, weight loss, slurred speech, blurred vision, sensory loss, ataxia (failure of muscular coordination), tremors, and convulsions may occur. May cause headache, muscle weakness and incoordination, and confusion. May cause muscle contraction or spasticity.

*
Inhalation: May cause severe irritation of the upper respiratory tract with pain, burns, and inflammation. Symptoms of exposure include: increased secretions, cough, pain or respiration,

Chronic: Prolonged absorption may affect electrolyte balance and impair kidney function. Dehydration, weight loss, skin effects, and thyroid disturbances have been reported. Laboratory experiments have resulted in mutagenic effects. Chronic exposure to lithium chloride salts may cause drowsiness, visual abnormalities, weakness, ringing in the ears, and muscle tremors. Possible risk of harm to the unborn child. May impair fertility.


from mfg website
probuilt Offline
#116 Posted: Sat, Mar 1 2008, 1:48 AM EST
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Madman which kinda bead are you refering to?

lithium chloride?
Is that the coating on beads?

Where is the MSDS sheet?
Odylic Offline
#117 Posted: Sat, Mar 1 2008, 3:57 AM EST
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those are the cigar beads/art beads

and for the 100th time.... they aren't coated or they would not work when fractured and they work the same either way
maddman Offline
#118 Posted: Sat, Mar 1 2008, 8:58 AM EST
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repeated again

Fuji Silysia Chemical LTD
5th Fl. Higashi-kan, Dai-niToyota Building,
4-11-27 Meieki, Nakamura-ku, Nagoya, Aichi, Japan
Tel: +81 52 583 0451, Fax: +81 52 583 0455


1) Product Identification:

Synonyme: Silica, Amorphous; Silicic Acid; *Amorphous Silicon Dioxide, Lithium Chloride

2) Composition/Information on Ingredients

Ingredient: CAS No

Silica, Amorphous SiO2 7631.86.9
Lithium Chloride: LiCl 7447.41.8

3) Hazards Identification:

Emergency Overview: Affects respiratory system, causes irritation to eyes, kidneys. Can effect child birth.

Potential Health Effects
Inhalation: May cause dryness and irritations to mucous m membrane, nose and thoat. Symptoms may include coughing, sore throat, dyspnea, wheezing, and non-specific chest illnesses.
Ingestion: No adverse effects expected.
Skin Contact: May cause irritation with dryness and abrasion.
Eye Contact: Causes irritation, redness and pain.
Chronic Exposure: Repeated exposure may cause symptoms similar to the effects on the above.
Aggravation of Pre-existing Conditions: No information found.

4) First Aid Measures:

Inhalation: Remove to fresh air. Get medical attention for any breathing difficulty.
Ingestion: Give several glasses of water to dilute, If large amounts were swallowed, get medical advice.
Skin Contact: Wash exposed area with soap and water. Get medical advice if irritation develops.
Eye Contact: Immediately flush eyes with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes, lifting lower and upper eyelids occasionally. Get medical attention immediately.

6) Accidental Release Measures:

If its use requires manual handling, wear long sleeves and close-weave cotton gloves with tight-fitting wristlets.
If dusty conditions prevail, collects in an empty container with no dispersion, and wipe off, suck up under the place without a wind. Watch your step.

7) Handling and Storage:

Keep in a tightly closed container, stored in a cool, dry ventilated area. Protect against physical damage. Take precautions a static electric spark. Isolate from incompatible substances. Containers of this material may be hazardous when empty since they retain product residues (dust, solids); observe all warnings and precautions listed for this product.

8) Exposure Controls/Personal Protection

Airborne Exposure Limits:

Amorphous Silica:

OSHA Silica gel - PEL - 6mg/m3

ACGIH Threshold Limit Value (TLV): 10 mg/m3; TWA: inhalable particulate: 3 mg/m3 (TWA) respirable particulate

Lithium Chloride:

No OSHA vacated PELs are listed for this chemical

Ventilation System:

A system of local and/or general exhaust is recommended to keep employee exposures below the Aitborne exposure Limits. Local exhaust ventilation is generally preferred because it can control the emissions of the contaminant at its source, preventing dispersion of it into the general work area. Please refer to the ACGIH document, Industrial Ventilation, A Manual of Recommended Practices, most recent edition, for details.

Personal Respirators:

If its use requires manual handling, wear log sleeves and close-weave cotton gloves with tight-fitting wristlets. If dusty conditions prevail, use of an approved NIOSH / MSHA dust respirator is recommended. Wear googles if dust causes eye discomfort.

9) Physical and Chemical Properties

Appearance: dry or humid, white bead
Odor: Odorless
Solubility: Silica gel: Insoluble; LiCl: soluble
Boiling Point: 2230°C as a Silica Gel
Melting Point: 1610°C as a Silica Gel

Stability: Stable under ordinary conditions of use and storage

Incompatibilities: Hydrogen fluoride, fluorine, xenon hexafluoride, oxygen difluoride and chlorine trifluoride
Conditions to Avoid: Heat, flame, ignition sources, dusting, moisture and incompatibilities

Cancer Lists:

Ingredient IARC Category

Silica, Amorphous (7631-86-9) 3




This is partially taken from Odylic's post#49 where it states that the lithium chloride coating is a health risk. When the beads fracture into microscopic particles they can escape even sheer material and collect onto the cigars or the insides of the container you use. If the minute particles get on your hands you could possibly wipe your eyes or rub your nose and become contaminated by the lithium chloride. Once on the cigars you can inhale the lithium chloride and worse by having the chemical to the burn point and really effect your lungs.

It was mentioned: Do you really want to ruin the cigars you paid good money for.

1) Your smoking.....First and biggest health risk!
2) Your storing your smokes in a chemical atmosphere!
3) Your F*cked if you have experienced #1&2

My goal is to make YOU people aware

probuilt Offline
#119 Posted: Sun, Mar 2 2008, 4:07 PM EST
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Again I ask?

Is this all beads and kitty litter?

As usuall I have some trouble understanding the MSDS.
Could it be I dont want to believe my eyes?

Course propylene glycol always seemed to be a little "chemical" in name for me to dump in my humidor.

Distilled water is what I want in there, the proportioning device has yet to be perfected for me.

Does this MSDS relate to all beads??

Thanks for the info.

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maddman Offline
#120 Posted: Mon, Mar 3 2008, 12:03 PM EST
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Sigma Aldrich products are intended for laboratory research purposes. Sigma Aldrich products are not intended for use as coating materials for commercially available consumer items.

I am attaching the Material Safety Data Sheet which I would provide to any customer working with lithium chloride in a laboratory research environment.



The information above is not intended as medical advise. If you are feeling unwell, I would advise you seek professional medical care.

Have a nice day.

Best Regards,

Bob Krug
Sigma Aldrich Technical Service


This is a letter I received on an inquiry of lithium chloride, which is the added ingredient which is the difference between KL and HF beads, from what has been previously posted.

I don't know if HF will divulge this information and frankly I haven't asked. Obviously Mr. Krug's reply of concern seems to be directed at me for possibly ingesting smoke from cigars I stored in the humidor with the beads from HF. This from what I told him of the use of this product.

More to come.

I hope this helps
rfenst Offline
#121 Posted: Mon, Mar 3 2008, 12:11 PM EST
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When I use KL, do you recommend that I remove the turds and blue clumps of cat urine form it?
teedubbya Offline
#122 Posted: Mon, Mar 3 2008, 12:16 PM EST
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don't make him MADD
maddman Offline
#123 Posted: Mon, Mar 3 2008, 12:18 PM EST
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I think that TG had made light of this but you just may want to leave it in to go along with some of the coffee choices some poster are trying at this time.
maddman Offline
#124 Posted: Mon, Mar 3 2008, 12:26 PM EST
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You know you just gave me a good idea for a marketing the 'Stinky' ashtray!
probuilt Offline
#125 Posted: Mon, Mar 3 2008, 12:37 PM EST
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LIMITATION OF LIABILITY FROM ERRONEOUS PRODUCT CONTENT

Buyer agrees that the Seller's total liability, even for erroneous product content that causes damage to the Buyer, shall be limited to the purchase price paid for the product.

LIMITATION OF LIABILITY FROM HARM CAUSED BY THE PRODUCT

Buyer agrees that the Seller's total liability, even from harm caused to the Buyer or to others from use of the product, shall be limited to the purchase price paid for the product.

LIMITATION OF LIABILITY FROM ALL OTHER INJURIES OF ANY KIND

Buyer agrees that the Seller's total liability, for any other injury, harm, or tort of any kind, whether foreseeable or unforeseeable, shall be limited to the purchase price paid for the product.

This from the volumes of info in the "Terms and Conditions" on the HF site.

See why we need lawyers!
rfenst Offline
#126 Posted: Mon, Mar 3 2008, 12:42 PM EST
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... to write **** like that and then to be able to interpret it...
probuilt Offline
#127 Posted: Mon, Mar 3 2008, 12:42 PM EST
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When I got my two pounds of HF beads I never even considered any risk. Silly me, I have accepted high risk all my life, I just wanna know. No sneaky stuff.

When I first moved beads from packaging to perforated bags for use in humi I was surprised to see a large volume of "Dust" and powder from the product. Hell I got it all over my desk. After the fine particles sifted away then it was over, no more dust.

maddman Offline
#128 Posted: Mon, Mar 3 2008, 12:50 PM EST
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Probuilt, have you attempted to contact HF?
teedubbya Offline
#129 Posted: Mon, Mar 3 2008, 12:50 PM EST
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I'm starting to feel sick already
probuilt Offline
#130 Posted: Mon, Mar 3 2008, 12:57 PM EST
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I have not contacted them. I did buy from them. I'm not the guy to carry the rally flag.

I just want to know if I should dump HF beads and use KL or should I dump all the beads and go back to blocks and distilled water.
I don't know what the hell I would contact HF about.

If I really have a beef I will have a contact made for me.

I have never considered that this product would not be food grade, safe for consumption as it is nestled in to a product that is ingested through the lungs one of the quickest avenues to the blood stream.

I hope you all are April foolin me!!!!
probuilt Offline
#131 Posted: Mon, Mar 3 2008, 1:06 PM EST
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MSDS on Kitty Litter:

http://www.ultrapet.com/ccmsds.html


DATE PREPARED: 10/28/1997
MSDS No: 10038
Crystal Clear Litter Pearls

1. CHEMICAL PRODUCT AND COMPANY IDENTIFICATION
PRODUCT NAME: Desiccant
PRODUCT DESCRIPTION: Silica Gel
MANUFACTURER: Ultra Pet Company, Inc.
4325 Old Mill Road
Suite 2C
Anderson, SC 29621
EMERGENCY TELEPHONE NUMBERS:
(864) 261-3546
www.ultrapet.com

2. COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
Chemical characterization: Desiccant
Description: Silica Gel
Dangerous substance: Not Present
CAS Registry # EINECS
OSHA PEL: 80 MG/M3 /% SIO2
ACGIH TLV: 10 MG/M#
Appearance & Odor Dry white granules, beads or powder. No Odor
Specific Gravity: 2.1
Solubility in Water: Insoluble
PH: Supdat

3. HAZARDS IDENTIFICATION
Specific hazards for humans and environment:
The product is very absorbent and may have a drying effect on skin and eyes.
Silica gel is synthetic amorphous silica not to be confused with crystalline silica. Epidemiological studies indicate low potential from adverse health effects.

4. FIRST AID MEASURES
After inhalation: Fresh air
After skin contact: Wash with water
After eye contact: Flush with water

5. FIRE FIGHTING MEASURES
Extinguishing media: Media suitable for surrounding fire.
Unusual Fire and Explosive Hazards: None, product will not burn.

6. ACCIDENTAL RELEASE MEASURES
Personal Precautions: Respiratory protection, eye protection
Methods for cleaning up: Sweep or vacuum the spill area, avoid rising dust. Not known to have any adverse affect on aquatic environment. It is insoluble & non-toxic.

7. HANDLING AND STORAGE
Precautions for safe handling: Handling in airtight container, moisture proof and waterproof.
Measures to prevent fire/explosion: Non-flammable or explosive
Storage: Keep tightly sealed to protect quality of product.

8. EXPOSURE CONTROLS/PERSONAL PROTECTION
General: See Handling
Other Precautions: Avoid prolonged breathing of dust or contact with skin. Drying action of this material can cause irritation of mucous membranes of nose and throat & irritation of skin.

9. PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL PROPERTIES
Appearance: White semitransparent and glass like
Odor: Without odor
PH (50 g/1 water) (20o C) 3.5-8
Boiling Point Not applicable
Melting Point 1708-1718o C
Flash Point Not applicable
Solubility water Insoluble

10. STABILITY AND REACTIVITY
The product is stable and inert.

11. TOXICOLOGICAL INFORMATION
The product is non-toxic.

12. ECOLOGICAL INFORMATION
Silica gel is chemically and biological inert.

13. DISPOSAL CONSIDERATIONS
Landfill according to federal, state and local regulations.

14. TRANSPORT INFORMATION
Not dangerous goods according to DOT regulations.

15. REGULATORY INFORMATION
Not a dangerous substance according to EEC Council Directive 67/548/EEC as last amended.

16. OTHER INFORMATION
The applicable regulations and industrial hygiene standards have to be considered.
This information is provided in good faith, but without express or implied warranty.



















































maddman Offline
#132 Posted: Mon, Mar 3 2008, 1:09 PM EST
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I'm dead serious! If the HF beads crack and get anywhere I can smoke or touch, I may present a problem to myself or worse.

It just hit me. What if I trade cigars with someone who did not protect their cigars from shattered beads and is passing them off to me.

Bet noone has thought about that!
probuilt Offline
#133 Posted: Mon, Mar 3 2008, 1:23 PM EST
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You know I find it amusing in a morbid kinda way that products designed for animals to scat in are better documented for exposure to humans than products designed and sold for humans to humidify a product they ingest via inhalation.

I went straight to the MSDS sheet on KL but cannot find any info on the HF beads.
maddman Offline
#134 Posted: Mon, Mar 3 2008, 1:31 PM EST
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I sent them an e-mail. I hope they respond or I will call and ask for the information on this, as I am not really satisfied with their statement either. Somethings just seem to be a secret!
probuilt Offline
#135 Posted: Mon, Mar 3 2008, 1:32 PM EST
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And that my Short D*** Friends is exactly why you should always store your stash "cello on".
maddman Offline
#136 Posted: Mon, Mar 3 2008, 1:36 PM EST
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HERE-here!
teedubbya Offline
#137 Posted: Tue, Mar 4 2008, 5:28 AM EST
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lol

yall are amusing.
maddman Offline
#138 Posted: Tue, Mar 4 2008, 5:52 AM EST
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TW,

you still wiping the dust of your cigars?
GreenWolf70 Offline
#139 Posted: Tue, Mar 4 2008, 5:57 AM EST
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ROFLMAO......Lots of lawyers on this board....I think I smell a HF lawsuit......ahhhhhh.
teedubbya Offline
#140 Posted: Tue, Mar 4 2008, 7:03 AM EST
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lol MADD

no I snort that dust.... keeps my nasal passages at 65%
teedubbya Offline
#141 Posted: Tue, Mar 4 2008, 7:04 AM EST
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by the way pull the msds on the 50/50 solutions and antifreeze..... see how they compare

it may be better to use antifreeze
maddman Offline
#142 Posted: Tue, Mar 4 2008, 7:45 AM EST
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Hey, I'm serious about all this as a 'heavy smoker for years', this stuff can get in your sinuses, lungs and really mess you up. Same for getting it on your hands w/o washing and rubbing your eyes or whatever, you can spread this stuff too. Small amounts may not be of much concern but for an everyday user this can really add up.
teedubbya Offline
#143 Posted: Tue, Mar 4 2008, 8:13 AM EST
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The safest thing would be to quit smoking
BioMek Offline
#144 Posted: Tue, Mar 4 2008, 12:59 PM EST
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since the KL isn't sold by CI or CBid, shouldn't this post get deleted by SteveR by now since it's competition to the product they sell?

i see no difference between this and the post he deleted that made mention of a certain cigar that is named for a past secretary of state in the 1800s?

i love the consistency around this place. what a joke.
maddman Offline
#145 Posted: Tue, Mar 4 2008, 1:11 PM EST
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Are you insinuating collusion of our hosts. Sven, Olle, Mats, Bjorn and Gunnar are hard at work making this board as open as possible.
Strick28 Offline
#146 Posted: Wed, Mar 5 2008, 3:44 AM EST
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I wonder why(silica)sand dust is going to hurt someone? I have lived on the coast for many years and the sand has never bothered me.

I was also hoping one of the wizards here would do lab test on the 2 different types of beads being dscussed and post the results. This would give the answer to the question are they or are they not the same...
maddman Offline
#147 Posted: Wed, Mar 5 2008, 8:40 AM EST
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This is the reply I received about the composition of the KL beads. #8 below bothers me because this fact raises questions to me. If this is common between both mediums(KL & HF beads)both present a health issue. The only difference I perceive is the inclusion of Lithium Chloride in the HF beads. If this ingredient is furthermore harmful, than the use HF beads could be construed as very harmful to human ingestion orally or as a vapor. When HF beads break, the dust can rest on cigars and be aborbed or transfered to hands. What needs further investigation: 1)is Silica itself harmful, 2)is Lithium Chloride the sealant around the silica beads in HF beads.....more to come, check back to see if answers can be found!
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Hi Maddman,

No there isn’t any Lithium Chloride in our beads. I am sending you our MSDS sheet so you can be assured you and your cigar buddies aren’t in any danger.



DATE PREPARED: 10/28/1997
MSDS No: 10038
Tracks Less Litter Pearls

1. CHEMICAL PRODUCT AND COMPANY IDENTIFICATION
PRODUCT NAME: Desiccant
PRODUCT DESCRIPTION: Silica Gel
MANUFACTURER: Ultra Pet Company, Inc.
4325 Old Mill Road
Suite 2C
Anderson, SC 29621
EMERGENCY TELEPHONE NUMBERS:
(864) 261-3546
www.ultrapet.com

2. COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
Chemical characterization: Desiccant
Description: Silica Gel
Dangerous substance: Not Present
CAS Registry # EINECS
OSHA PEL: 80 MG/M3 /% SIO2
ACGIH TLV: 10 MG/M#
Appearance & Odor Dry white granules, beads or powder. No Odor
Specific Gravity: 2.1
Solubility in Water: Insoluble
PH: Supdat

3. HAZARDS IDENTIFICATION
Specific hazards for humans and environment:
The product is very absorbent and may have a drying effect on skin and eyes.
Silica gel is synthetic amorphous silica not to be confused with crystalline silica. Epidemiological studies indicate low potential from adverse health effects.

4. FIRST AID MEASURES
After inhalation: Fresh air
After skin contact: Wash with water
After eye contact: Flush with water

5. FIRE FIGHTING MEASURES
Extinguishing media: Media suitable for surrounding fire.
Unusual Fire and Explosive Hazards: None, product will not burn.

6. ACCIDENTAL RELEASE MEASURES
Personal Precautions: Respiratory protection, eye protection
Methods for cleaning up: Sweep or vacuum the spill area, avoid rising dust. Not known to have any adverse affect on aquatic environment. It is insoluble & non-toxic.

7. HANDLING AND STORAGE
Precautions for safe handling: Handling in airtight container, moisture proof and waterproof.
Measures to prevent fire/explosion: Non-flammable or explosive
Storage: Keep tightly sealed to protect quality of product.

8. EXPOSURE CONTROLS/PERSONAL PROTECTION
General: See Handling
Other Precautions: Avoid prolonged breathing of dust or contact with skin. Drying action of this material can cause irritation of mucous membranes of nose and throat & irritation of skin.

9. PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL PROPERTIES
Appearance: White semitransparent and glass like
Odor: Without odor
PH (50 g/1 water) (20o C) 3.5-8
Boiling Point Not applicable
Melting Point 1708-1718o C
Flash Point Not applicable
Solubility water Insoluble?

10. STABILITY AND REACTIVITY
The product is stable and inert.

11. TOXICOLOGICAL INFORMATION
The product is non-toxic.

12. ECOLOGICAL INFORMATION
Silica gel is chemically and biological inert.

13. DISPOSAL CONSIDERATIONS
Landfill according to federal, state and local regulations.

14. TRANSPORT INFORMATION
Not dangerous goods according to DOT regulations.

15. REGULATORY INFORMATION
Not a dangerous substance according to EEC Council Directive 67/548/EEC as last amended.

16. OTHER INFORMATION
The applicable regulations and industrial hygiene standards have to be considered.
This information is provided in good faith, but without express or implied warranty.
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#148 Posted: Thu, Mar 6 2008, 12:02 PM EST
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Sigma Aldrich products are intended for laboratory research purposes. Sigma Aldrich products are not intended for use as coating materials for commercially available consumer items.

The information about lithium chloride is not intended as medical advise. If you are feeling unwell, I would advise you seek professional medical care.

Have a nice day.

Best Regards,

Bob Krug
Sigma Aldrich Technical Service
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#149 Posted: Thu, Mar 6 2008, 12:15 PM EST
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you are madd I tell ya
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I just can't help myself............
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